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Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 30 January 2011 05:53:06AM 3 points [-]

Neutrinos are included in the broad consideration of dark matter because they don't interact electromagnetically. "Baryonic" and "baryon" aren't quite the same; baryonic matter only needs to be composed mostly of baryons.

The dark matter hypothesis is really just the "Yes, GR really is correct (at large scales)" hypothesis.

Yes. There's "dark matter" simply defined as matter that doesn't participate in the electromagnetic interaction, and then there's the hypothesis that a significant portion of matter in the universe can be classified as such.

Comment author: Sniffnoy 30 January 2011 07:43:03AM 1 point [-]

Neutrinos are included in the broad consideration of dark matter because they don't interact electromagnetically. "Baryonic" and "baryon" aren't quite the same; baryonic matter only needs to be composed mostly of baryons.

Ah, OK. Wasn't aware of that distinction. I also failed to notice that the important consideration here is interacts electromagnetically vs. doesn't. Thanks.

Comment author: bigjeff5 30 January 2011 10:03:24PM *  0 points [-]

Yes, there are a number of hypothetical non-atomic particles that would need to exist as well, since by their very nature neutrinos have almost no mass. These additional particles have not been discovered, and discovering them would be extremely difficult.

I'd agree that it has the potential to be another phlogiston, but you've got to at least give the Dark Matter theorists a chance to falsify their theory. If it becomes a situation where new evidence comes out that DM can't predict, yet is adapted to describe DM, then you know DM is utter poppycock. There are, however, a number of avenues for experimentation, so it's certainly not the case that you can call Dark Matter a modern-day phlogiston yet.

At the same time, if DM is poppycock, then GR is necessarily very, very broken (we already know it's broken, just not for big stuff).

Comment author: Sniffnoy 30 January 2011 10:46:07PM 0 points [-]

I should note, I was not claiming it to be unfalsifiable, I was just picking nits (incorrectly). :P