miosim comments on The Futility of Emergence - Less Wrong

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Comment author: SoundLogic 11 March 2013 05:00:34PM 0 points [-]

I was under the impression that a property x was emergent if it wasn't determined by the set of property states of the components. IE, gravity isn't emergent since the gravity generated by something is the addition of the gravity of the parts. Intelligence isn't, because even if I know the intelligence of each of your neurons, I don't know your intelligence.

Comment author: miosim 25 November 2013 01:28:09AM 1 point [-]

Observation of individual neurons doesn't indicate they have intelligence however doe it means that intelligence of a human brain is emergence phenomenon?

Observation of individual atoms and molecules wouldn't revel any gravitation like properties either however we don't call that gravity emergence phenomena. Instead we argue that gravitation like properties of atoms and molecules are not observable. Could you conceder that we may grossly underestimate an "intelligent ability" of individual neurons?

Comment author: SoundLogic 17 December 2013 04:17:43PM 0 points [-]

What I meant by this is the gravitational influence of N particles is the sum of the gravitational influences of each of the individual particles, and is therefore a strict function of their individual gravitational influences. If you give me any collection of particles, and tell me nothing except their gravitational fields, I can tell you the gravitational field of the system of particles. If you tell me the intelligence of each of your neurons (0), I cannot determine your intelligence.