Lumifer comments on Is it immoral to have children? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 25 October 2013 12:57:06AM 2 points [-]

Ah, I see now where you're coming from.

Well, let me just say that you're describing what I'd call a very dysfunctional family. Not all families are dysfunctional.

Comment author: smk 25 October 2013 09:50:03AM -1 points [-]

My preferred transhumanist "eutopia" is one where people generally do not die, and new people generally are not created, but if for some reason people do have to be created, they are created with adult-level competencies such as I described above.

I think that the vast majority of people who currently have parental desires would not get to satisfy those desires in my eutopia, because their desires can only be satisfied in a world with a class of temporarily less-competent people. Are you suggesting that "people whose parental desires can only be satisfied in a world with a class of temporarily less-competent people" are dysfunctional, and not really the majority as I suspect? If so, then what state of affairs is required for the majority of parental desires be satisfied? Could they do it in my eutopia? If they could do it in my eutopia, then it seems like they could do that same thing in this world in a relationship with an adult, and not have to create a brand-new child at all.

Comment author: Lumifer 27 October 2013 03:03:58AM 0 points [-]

Are you suggesting that "people whose parental desires can only be satisfied in a world with a class of temporarily less-competent people" are dysfunctional, and not really the majority as I suspect?

Let me offer you some concepts for consideration. The concepts are: "responsibility" (as in "I'm responsible for the well-being and happiness of that human"), "bonding" (as in "The shared emotional experiences bonded us"), "caring" (as in "I care for that person, my happiness is a function of her happiness"), and, simply, "love" (as in "I love him").