Pfft comments on Why officers vs. enlisted? - Less Wrong

13 Post author: JoshuaFox 30 October 2013 08:14PM

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Comment author: Pfft 30 October 2013 09:08:40PM 3 points [-]

When you mentioned different cultures I was imagining cannibals in the jungles of Borneo, or something. The JSDF is a completely ordinary western-style military, patterned after other modern armies. I don't think it counts as evidence that this is a human universal.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 30 October 2013 09:28:15PM 0 points [-]

jungles of Borneo, or something.

From what I have read in the recent book by Jared Diamond, fighting in New Guinea, is of a completely different type -- quite non-hierarchical. Can there be hierarchical armies without the two-ladder hierarchy?

The JSDF is a completely ordinary western-style military Yes. So, what one-ladder armies exist?

Comment author: DanArmak 30 October 2013 09:34:36PM 2 points [-]

Is the fighting in New Guinea on a large enough scale to require a hierarchy of any kind?

A group of just a few hundred men, without strongly segregated roles that need coordination (they all fight together in the same way), is just a warband. It doesn't need a complex command structure to coordinate; it might help, but doesn't have the training and regulations to enforce it. It's easier to be egalitarian than to have to worry about political infighting during actual fighting.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 30 October 2013 09:39:04PM 1 point [-]

That's part of Diamond's point: These societies are organized on a small scale. Other similar societies scaled up and moved to a chieftain system.

But in any case, even small, elite, independent army units have the usual officer/enlisted dichotomy, even if in the elite units this is a less clear distinction.

Possibly, if the line of this post is correct and I am not taking it too far, this is because the SEALS, Sayeret, etc are implicitly expected to be agenty in a way that most soldiers are not.