Lumifer comments on Why officers vs. enlisted? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 01 November 2013 12:10:24AM *  2 points [-]

I could not find the origin of the US corporate division into senior and middle management

Traditionally the distinction is that employees do the work, the managers manage employees, and the executives manage managers.

In the XX century there was also real distinction between different ranks of managers in certain spheres, notably law firms and investment banks. They were organized as partnerships so the boundary was between employees (including managers) who were paid a salary and partners who had an equity stake in the company and received a share of profits besides the salary.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 01 November 2013 06:57:45AM 0 points [-]

the managers manage employees, and the executives manage managers.

Actually, there are many non-exec managers who manage managers, so that can't be the defining distinction. There are also a tiny handful of execs who don't manage anyone, though that might be just an exceptional case.

Comment author: Lumifer 01 November 2013 04:21:32PM 1 point [-]

The definition of "executive" is fuzzy and there has been some inflation over time. Look at titles, e.g. vice president. Fifty years ago it meant you're a big shot, nowadays it usually means you're a middle manager.

Note that there is also a separate, legal concept of "officers of the corporation" which is a different thing.

Comment author: shminux 01 November 2013 12:30:40AM *  -2 points [-]

OK, so the two pools originally were the founders and the employees, then ("capitalists" and "workers" in Marxist terms). Before it all morphed together.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 01 November 2013 07:02:55AM 3 points [-]

No. The basic definition of executives, from the perspective of the capitalists who own the company, is responsible employees who take care of the business.