knb comments on Less Wrong’s political bias - Less Wrong

-6 Post author: Sophronius 25 October 2013 04:38PM

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Comment author: knb 27 October 2013 07:07:08AM 5 points [-]

Is it? If I publicly state that the mean IQ of black people is about a standard deviation below the mean IQ of white people, I will be labeled a racist in an instant. Which preferences did I express?

Of course, preferences can be inferred from what facts you choose to publicly state. For example, if you publish a pamphlet all about crimes committed by blacks, people can infer from that something about your goals (i.e. to encourage distrust of blacks).

Perhaps some people would claim merely believing black IQ is lower is racist. But this clearly is not the sense in which Sophronius was using "racist." It is Sophronius' context to which my comment applies.

In case it wasn't clear to you, Sophronius was referring to the Dutch Freedom Party. Whether they are "racist" or not simply depends on your definition of the word. You could use the term "nationalist," or whatever. It doesn't matter. The word "racist" is just being used as a shorthand about their beliefs. It is clear that the salient point of disagreement between liberals like Sophronius and the Dutch Freedom Party is their values.

Comment author: Lumifer 27 October 2013 04:34:29PM 4 points [-]

The word "racist" is just being used as a shorthand about their beliefs.

That wasn't evident to me at all, I was reading you as making an observation about racism in general. Sophronius clearly wants to discuss issues beyond those specific to Dutch politics.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 27 October 2013 06:06:29PM 2 points [-]

Sophronius' desires aside, I am interested in your thoughts about knb's answer to your actual question.

Comment author: Lumifer 28 October 2013 03:16:21AM 0 points [-]

Whether racism is about preferences or facts? Though there is a variety of definitions, I think it's mostly about beliefs (which may or may not be based on facts and which may or may not be expressed as preferences).

Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 October 2013 03:32:08AM 0 points [-]

OK. Thanks for clarifying.