ArisKatsaris comments on MIRI strategy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 28 October 2013 07:34:03PM 0 points [-]

Given that the pieces the last time I read it p=.99 for that claim.

The more interesting claim is that an AGI actually goes FOOM. I say p=.65.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 28 October 2013 07:53:01PM 0 points [-]

The more interesting claim is that an AGI actually goes FOOM.

Yeah. that was the claim I meant.

I say p=.65.

Would you be willing to bet on this? I'd be willing to bet 2 of my dollars against 1 of yours, that no AGI will go FOOM in the remainder of the HPMoR story (for a maximum of 200 of my dollars vs 100 of yours)

Comment author: gwern 28 October 2013 10:50:17PM 2 points [-]

I'd be willing to bet 2 of my dollars against 1 of yours, that no AGI will go FOOM in the remainder of the HPMoR story (for a maximum of 200 of my dollars vs 100 of yours)

Even in early 2012, I didn't think 2:1 was the odds for an AGI fooming in MoR...

How would you like to bet 1 of your dollars against 3 of my dollars that an AGI will go FOOM? Up to a max of 120 of my dollars and 40 of yours; ie. if an AGI goes foom, I pay you $120 and if it doesn't, you pay me $40. (Payment through Paypal.) Given your expressed odds, this should look like a good deal to you.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 28 October 2013 11:10:41PM 0 points [-]

ie. if an AGI goes foom, I pay you $120 and if it doesn't, you pay me $40. (Payment through Paypal.) Given your expressed odds, this should look like a good deal to you.

Ι said I assign 2% probability on an AGI going FOOM in the story. So how would this look like a good deal for me?

The odds I offered to ChristianKI were meant to express a middle ground between the odds I expressed (2%) and the odds he expressed (65%) so that the bet would seem about equally profitable to both of us, given our stated probabilities.

Comment author: gwern 28 October 2013 11:25:27PM 1 point [-]

Bah! Fine then, we won't bet. IMO, you should have offered more generous terms. If your true probability is 2%, then that's an odds against of 1:49, while his 65% would be 1:0.53, if I'm cranking the formula right. So a 1:2 doesn't seem like a true split.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 29 October 2013 02:58:42PM 0 points [-]

You are probably right about how it's not a true split -- I just did a stupid "add and divide by 2" on the percentages, but it doesn't really work like that.. He would anticipate to lose once every 3 times, but given my percentages I anticipated to lose once every 50 times. (I'm not very mathy at all)

Comment author: ChristianKl 28 October 2013 08:19:47PM 0 points [-]

Would you be willing to bet on this? I'd be willing to bet 2 of my dollars against 1 of yours, that no AGI will go FOOM in the remainder of the HPMoR story (for a maximum of 200 of my dollars vs 100 of yours)

At the moment I unfortunately don't have enough cash to invest in betting projects.

Additionally I don't know Eliezer personally and there are people on LessWrong that do and which might have access to nonpublic information. As a result it's not a good topic for betting money.

Comment author: gwern 28 October 2013 10:20:01PM *  2 points [-]

At the moment I unfortunately don't have enough cash to invest in betting projects.

Fortunately, that's why we have PredictionBook! Looking through my compilation of predictions (http://www.gwern.net/hpmor-predictions), I see we already have two relevant predictions:

(I've added a new more general one as well.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 29 October 2013 03:26:25AM 0 points [-]

I added my prediction to that.