TheAncientGeek comments on Why didn't people (apparently?) understand the metaethics sequence? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChrisHallquist 30 October 2013 03:08:59AM *  4 points [-]

In particular, one way (the way?) his metaethics might spit up something that looks a lot like moral realism is if there is strong convergence of values upon agents receiving better information, time enough to work out contradictions in their values, etc. But the "strong convergence of values" thesis hasn't really been argued, so I remain unclear as to why Eliezer finds it plausible.

When you say "agents" here, did you mean to say "psychologically normal humans"? Because the general claim I think Eliezer would reject, based on what he says on No Universally Compelling Arguments. But I do think he would accept the narrower claim about psychologically normal humans, or as he sometimes says "neurologically intact humans." And the argument for that is found in places like The Psychological Unity of Humankind, though I think there's an even better link for it somewhere - I seem to distinctly remember a post where he says something about how you should be very careful about attributing moral disagreements to fundamentally different values.

EDIT: Here is the other highly relevant post I was thinking of.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 04 November 2013 01:39:22PM 3 points [-]

No Universally Compelling Arguments has been put to me as a decisive refutation of Moral Realism, by somebody who thought the LW line was anti-realist. It isn't a decisive refutation because no (non strawman) realist thinks there are arguments that could compel an irrational person, an insane person, an very unintelligent person, and so on. Moral realists only need to argue that moral truths are independently discoverable by suitably motivated and equipped people, like mathematical truths (etc).