timtyler comments on Is the orthogonality thesis at odds with moral realism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 06 November 2013 11:04:20AM *  0 points [-]

The thesis says:

more or less any level of intelligence could in principle be combined with more or less any final goal.

The "in principle" still allows for the possibility of a naturalistic view of morality grounding moral truths. For example, we could have the concept of: the morality that advanced evolutionary systems tend to converge on - despite the orthogonality thesis.

It doesn't say what is likely to happen. It says what might happen in principle. It's a big difference.

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 06 November 2013 04:24:19PM 1 point [-]

Note that on Eliezer's view, nothing like "the morality that advanced evolutionary systems tend to converge on" is required for moral realism. Do you think it's required?

Comment author: timtyler 07 November 2013 12:27:41AM *  2 points [-]

I usually try to avoid the term "moral realism" - due to associated ambiguities - and abuse of the term "realism".