DanielLC comments on Open Thread, November 8 - 14, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Dan_Weinand 13 November 2013 09:08:10PM 4 points [-]

While there are many people who are annoyed by Christian Evangelicals, I feel that it is difficult to argue against their effectiveness. They exist because they are willing to talk to people again and again about their beliefs until those people convert.

Do you have any reason to believe that Christian Evangelicals are ineffective at persuading people? Keep in mind that a 5% conversion rate is doing a pretty damn good job when it comes to changing people's minds.

Comment author: DanielLC 14 November 2013 06:21:44AM 1 point [-]

If it works regardless of what it is you're telling people to do, that makes it dark arts.

Comment author: Dan_Weinand 14 November 2013 08:08:50AM 0 points [-]

Oh, I'm well aware that this technique could be used to spread irrational and harmful memes. But if you're trying to persuade someone to rationality using techniques of argument which presume rationality, it's unlikely that you'll succeed. So you may have to get your rationalist hands dirty.

Your call on what's the better outcome: successfully convincing someone to be more rational (but having their agency violated through irrational persuasion) or leaving that person in the dark. It's a nontrivial moral dilemma which should only be considered once rational persuasion has failed.