RichardKennaway comments on Stranger Than History - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 25 March 2014 02:09:48PM 4 points [-]

Those who advocate that the world is going to hell, do they point to a certain era as the most rational time, and what would have caused the downturn?

I'm referring to the reactosphere, of course, which I don't actually follow, but am aware of. Some trace the fall to the Enlightenment, some to the Reformation. Moldbug, on the other hand, has a lot of time for writers up to the 19th century, as people who knew what was what and from whose state of grace we have fallen. He has mentioned many times the persistent leftwards trend since then but the last I saw, still considered it a mystery. Others look to prehistory when men were men and women were chattels, and think that things started going downhill with the invention of agriculture, with the Reformation, the Enlightenment, and the 20th century being but further headlong descent down the rings of hell.

Leftists, in contrast, read the persistent leftwards trend as the inevitable march towards truth. At least, when they aren't crying "help, help, I'm being oppressed!", which requires portraying their opposition as the ones with power.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 25 March 2014 03:26:44PM 0 points [-]

You accept the leftard trend as fact, but the economics of the left have been abandoned, while their social policies have been accepted.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 25 March 2014 04:22:06PM 2 points [-]

You accept the leftard trend as fact

Just stating Moldbug's view, but I do think he has a point here. Compare current policies everywhere with those of 100 to 150 years ago (which is the timescale he is viewing things on).

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 25 March 2014 06:05:37PM -1 points [-]

Social or economic policies?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 March 2014 02:32:17AM 0 points [-]

Either. Consider government budget as a percentage of GDP today versus 100 years ago. No, left-wing economic policies haven't been abandoned.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 26 March 2014 09:18:34AM 0 points [-]

Hmmm. Is that policy, or just size? Consider the money spent on beaurocracy by large corporations as opposed to small ones.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 27 March 2014 12:23:25AM 0 points [-]

The increase in the size of government is the left-wing policy I'm referring to.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 27 March 2014 06:50:29AM 0 points [-]

And it's theinevitable and politically neutral organic change I am talking about. One fact, two interpretations.