TheAncientGeek comments on Stranger Than History - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 11 April 2014 03:00:37PM 0 points [-]

I don't think so, because "there is an argument for ,X, but it is not good" makes sense. There is however a tendency to slide down a slope from "no argument" to "no good argument" to "no argument I like".

Comment author: [deleted] 13 April 2014 06:47:13AM 1 point [-]

See implicature and “When Truth Isn't Enough”. If there are arguments for X but they are all bad, “there are arguments for X” is technically true, but misleading, and not terribly relevant to whether X is obviously wrong.

As for the specific case of AA, I agree it's neither as obviously right as banning murder nor as obviously wrong as banning glasses (to steal examples from “Searching For One-Sided Tradeoffs” on Yvain's blog), otherwise it would either be uncontroversially implemented everywhere or something no-one ever seriously proposed (other than the kind of mentally ill dictators who ban banknotes in denominations not a multiple of 9), but to treat this as something very informative about AA is the fallacy of gray.

(There are good arguments for banning glasses: for example, kids might try to use them to focus sunlight to burn ants and accidentally burn their own skin instead. It's just that arguments against banning glasses are much stronger.)

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 14 April 2014 01:45:56PM -2 points [-]

If the arguments for X are bad, you should be able to say why, and not just shift the burden:-

"Hedgehogs are evil alien robots sent to kill us."

"Huh?"

"Prove to me that they are gentle and Noble creatures, then!"

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 April 2014 02:40:45AM 1 point [-]

If the arguments for X are bad, you should be able to say why, and not just shift the burden:-

You're the one who's shifting the burned by insisting that AA isn't obviously wrong while refusing to provide any arguments for it. Whereas arguments against AA have been provided by me and others in this thread.

Furthermore, I'd like to remind you that this thread started because I cited opposition to AA as an example of a practical application of a certain fact about reality (namely racial differences in intelligence), which you were attempting to argue had no practical applications and thus suppressing it wasn't irrational. (At least that's my attempt to steel-man your position.)