Gunnar_Zarncke comments on What can we learn from freemasonry? - Less Wrong

10 Post author: Gunnar_Zarncke 24 November 2013 03:18PM

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 25 November 2013 11:00:42PM 1 point [-]

Having somewhat nebulous goals is probably a feature, not a bug.

For a society: Yes. Definitely. It allows to adapts to change. And we live in changing times.

Initiatory ordeal [is] a hard-to-fake signal of dedication and in some sense competence, functioning as a filter for people with high maturity and executive function and against dilettantes and freeloaders.

Definitely. And if the meetups grow in size structure is needed and such a filter for competence may be helpful.

I wonder whether EY would condone rituals like Brennan's in http://lesswrong.com/lw/p1/initiation_ceremony/ for such a purpose. Even if grossly exaggerated this surely looks like a filter for competent and mature people.

Burning Man culture, for example, has similar barriers to entry

I guess you are referring to http://lesswrong.com/lw/2mp/burning_man_meetup_bayes_camp/ . Can somebody tell whether that was successfulk in this sense?

Comment author: Nornagest 25 November 2013 11:03:32PM *  1 point [-]

I guess you are referring to http://lesswrong.com/lw/2mp/burning_man_meetup_bayes_camp/ . Can somebody tell whether that was successfulk in this sense?

I was actually talking about Burning Man as a broader social phenomenon. As it happens, though, I did attend Bayes Camp in 2011 and 2012, and I'm pretty happy with it in this context; I'm still in touch with many of the people I met through it, and I think the difficulty and expense of helping set up a camp was a strong contributor to that bond.

Incidentally, there seems to be something similar going on among CFAR alumni; but as I don't belong to that group I can't comment too authoritatively on it.