drethelin comments on 'Effective Altruism' as utilitarian equivocation. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: komponisto 24 November 2013 07:45:10PM 4 points [-]

If other people value tradition intrinsically, then preference utilitarianism will output that tradition counts to the extent that it satisfies people's preferences for it. This would be the utilitarian way to include "complexity of value".

If other people value tradition instead of helping other people, then the utilitarian thing to do is to get them to value helping other people more and tradition less. And on it goes, until you've tiled the universe with altruistic robots who only care about helping other altruistic robots (help other altrustic robots (help other altruistic robots (....(...(

Utilitarianism is fundamentally incompatible with value complexity.

Comment author: drethelin 24 November 2013 10:38:34PM 0 points [-]

If you value you something the correct thing to do is to convince others to value it. OBVIOUSLY AND WHATEVER YOUR VALUE IS. This is not a problem with utilitarianism. It's a problem with Values. If you value tradition it helps your values to convince other people to value tradition until the universe is tiled with traditional robots.

Comment author: komponisto 24 November 2013 11:07:54PM 1 point [-]

It's a problem with simple values, not values in general. If you have a complex value system, it might contain detailed, not-concisely-summarizable specifications about exactly when it helps to convince other people to value tradition.