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Comment author: [deleted] 28 November 2013 02:59:12PM 1 point [-]

You have to have some terminal values for it to make any sense, but that doesn't imply virtue ethics, which is a mistake you seem to be making in the OP.

I'm not even trying to imply anything about virtue ethics in the OP :-/.

What would prevent it from collapsing in a multiple-agent universe?

I think that our concept of morality as distinct from aesthetics seems to be primarily a social thing. Morality is about how we handle other people, or at least some abstracted sense of an Other with real agency. People, certain animals, Nature, and God are thus all considered valid subjects for human morality to deal with, but we usually have no moral intuitions or even deductions about, say, paper-clips or boot laces as such.

A religious person might care that God legislates a proper order for tying your boot laces (it's left shoe followed by right shoe, halahically speaking ;-)), but even they don't normally have a preexisting, terminal moral value over the bootlaces themselves.

So, to sum up the unpacking, I think that on a psychological level, morality is fundamentally concerned with other people/agents and their treatment, it's a social function.

Comment author: hyporational 28 November 2013 03:21:52PM *  0 points [-]

From the OP:

In such situations, the only drawback is that naive consequentialism fails to consider consequences on the person acting (ie: me). Once I make that more virtue-ethical adjustment ...

Consequentialism would cover you just fine, if you just happened to have any terminal values concerning you. Or, do you mean consequentialism implies too much computation for you? If so, using simpler moral heuristics is still consequentialism, if you predict it is useful to maximize your values in certain situations.

I think that our concept of morality as distinct from aesthetics seems to be primarily a social thing. Morality is about how we handle other people

Or animals, just like you said. It could also include how you handle your future or past self, and I don't think that is about aesthetics. Alas, we seem to be arguing about definitions here, probably not very useful.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 November 2013 09:11:00PM 0 points [-]

Or animals, just like you said.

Agents, is the thing.