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Eliezer also wrote:
But what if there are advantages to not making "Friendliness" the supergoal? What if making the supergoal something else, from which Friendliness derives importance under most circumstances, is a better approach? Not "safer". "better".
Something like "be a good galactic citizen", where that translates to being a utilitarian wanting to benefit all species (both AI species and organics), with a strong emphasis upon some quality such as valuing the preservation of diversity and gratitude towards parental species that do themselves also try (within their self-chosen identity limitations) to also be good galactic citizens?
I'm not saying that such a higher level supergoal can be safely written. I don't know. I do think the possibility that there might be one is worth considering, for three reasons:
It is anthropomorphic to suggest "Well, we'd resent slavery if apes had done it to us, so we shouldn't do it to a species we create." But, like in David Brin's uplift series, there's an argument about alien contact that warns that we may be judged by how we've treated others. So even if the AI species we create doesn't resent it, others may resent it on their behalf. (Including an outraged PETA like faction of humanity that then decides to 'liberate' the enslaved AIs.)
Secondly, if there are any universals to ethical behaviour, that intelligent beings who've never even met or been influenced by humanity might independently recreate, you can be pretty sure that slavish desire to submit to just one particular species won't feature heavily in them.
If we want the programmer of the AI to transfer to the AI the programmer's own basis for coming up with how to behave, the programmer might be a human-speciesist (like a racial supremacist, or nationalist, only broader), but if they're both moral and highly intelligent, then the AI will eventually gain the capacity to realise that the programmer probably wouldn't, for example, enslave a biological alien race that humanity happened to encounter out in space, just in order to keep humanity safe.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're operating from a definition of Friendliness that is something like, "be good to humans." Whereas, my understanding is that Friendliness is more along the lines of "do what we would want you to do if we were smarter / better." So, if we would want an AI to be a good galactic citizen if we thought about it more, that's what it would do.
Does your critique still apply to this CEV-type definition of Friendliness?
I thought it wasn't so much "do what we would want you to do if we were better", as "be good to humans, using the definitions of 'good' and 'humans' that we'd supply if we were better at anticipating what will actually benefit us and the consequences of particular ways of wording constraints".
Because couldn't it decide that a better human would be purely altruistic and want to turn over all the resources in the universe to a species able to make more efficient use of them?
I have more questions than answers, and I'd be suspicious of anyone who, at this stage, was 100% certain that they knew a foolproof way to word things.
I agree with you about not knowing any foolproof wording. In terms of what Eliezer had in mind though, here's what the LessWrong wiki has to say on CEV:
So it's not just, "be good to humans," but rather, "do what (idealized) humans would want you to." I think it's an open question whether those would be the same thing.