BlueSun comments on Rationality Quotes December 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: BlueSun 02 December 2013 03:16:14PM 18 points [-]

The "known knowns" quote got made fun of a lot, but I think it's really good out of context:

"There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know."

Also, every time I think of that I try to picture the elusive category of "unknown knowns" but I can't ever think of an example.

Comment author: Randy_M 23 December 2013 02:56:18PM 1 point [-]

Information that was relevant and available but not considered at the time of decision making I'd consider unknown knowns.

Comment author: Zando 20 December 2013 10:53:09AM *  2 points [-]

I figure "unknown knowns" covers a huge category of its own: willful ignorance. All those things that are pretty obvious (e.g. the absence of the Dragon in the garage) but that many people, including Rumsfeld apparently, choose to ignore or "unknow".

Comment author: TheOtherDave 02 December 2013 04:17:55PM 9 points [-]

Things that we know that we don't know we know? I run into these all the time... last night, for example, I realized that I knew the English word for the little plastic cylinders at the end of a shoelace. (I discovered this when someone asked me what an 'aglet' was.) I'd had no idea.

Comment author: Ishaan 22 December 2013 04:57:19AM *  0 points [-]

I'm going to guess you have at one point watched this "Phineas and Ferb" episode, and then forgot it. There's a song and the chorus is "A-G-L-E-T don't forget it".

If that's how it happened, it's pretty amusing, because one of the running gags was that Candace kept going on about how there was absolutely no need for anyone to know the word aglet, and she became frustrated when it started catching on everywhere.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 22 December 2013 07:37:05AM 2 points [-]

My brain has, in the intervening weeks, offered up a memory of learning the word "aglet" from a Reader's Digest vocabulary quiz in my childhood. That said, your explanation is much better than mind, despite being false, so I'm tempted to accept it as the official story of why I know the word "aglet".

On this site, I really ought to be downvoted for that sentiment, I suppose.

Comment author: hyporational 03 December 2013 01:48:29AM 2 points [-]

An aglet... beautiful. I probably have a larger vocabulary in English than in Finnish by now. Lots of unknown knowns there I bet.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 03 December 2013 04:18:54AM 1 point [-]

I cannot for the life of me remember why I know that word.

Comment author: Roxolan 04 December 2013 05:19:47PM 1 point [-]

It's also a speed-boosting item in the video game Terraria. (I did not know the meaning of the word until now.)

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 03 December 2013 01:05:55PM 0 points [-]

It was a minor plot point in a Terry Pratchett novel. Could that be it?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 03 December 2013 05:51:30PM 0 points [-]

I don't think I've ever read any Pratchett novels, but I might well have read a summary or discussion of the relevant one.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 03 December 2013 07:32:36PM 0 points [-]

It was a pretty minor plot point, so that probably isn't it.

Comment author: BlueSun 02 December 2013 04:50:45PM 1 point [-]

Yes but as soon as you thought of it it becomes a known known :)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 02 December 2013 05:23:38PM 4 points [-]

True, much as unknown unknowns become known unknowns.
That said, I can infer from how often I come across them (converting them in the process) that there's a large store of them remaining unconverted.

Comment author: JackV 02 December 2013 04:14:39PM 19 points [-]

I guess "unknown knowns" are the counterpoint to "unknown unknowns" -- things it never occurred to you to consider, but didn't. Eg. "We completely failed to consider the possibility that the economy would mutate into a continent-sized piano-devouring shrimp, and it turned out we were right to ignore that."

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 04 December 2013 01:37:37PM 15 points [-]

We completely failed to consider the possibility that the economy would mutate into a continent-sized piano-devouring shrimp, and it turned out we were right to ignore that.

That's a survivor bias.