James_Miller comments on December Monthly Bragging Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: James_Miller 03 December 2013 05:32:40PM 12 points [-]

I fill my bathtub with cold water, add 40 pounds of ice, and stay in until the ice melts. (Don't try this yourself until you have built up cold resistance by first taking cold showers, then cold water baths, and then cold baths with a little bit of ice.)

As I age the winters are becoming less pleasant and this is in part an attempt to alter my winter set point happiness.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 December 2013 06:01:11PM *  4 points [-]

How well is it working to increase your cold tolerance?

Comment author: James_Miller 03 December 2013 06:20:31PM 9 points [-]

It's certainly working with regards to my ability to tolerate cold baths and showers. It's too early to tell how it has influenced my mood towards the winter.

Comment author: pianoforte611 07 December 2013 05:04:31AM *  0 points [-]

Does it make you feel less cold in general? I'm considering doing cold showers, but I'd like to know if the discomfort is worth it.

Comment author: luminosity 08 December 2013 01:02:57AM 1 point [-]

Purely anecdotal, but since I started taking cold showers, ~20 degrees C has gone from being switch to warm clothing territory, to fine in a t-shirt instead.

Comment author: James_Miller 07 December 2013 07:39:01PM 1 point [-]

I think so, but it's hard to be sure in part because the winter hasn't yet brought really cold temperatures to my area.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 04 December 2013 07:32:31PM 3 points [-]

You're not alone with the cold water fascination, ice hole swimming is a thing in Finland.

Besides increasing cold tolerance, there's anecdata that cold showers can help you fall asleep if taken in the evening (lower body temperature is a sleep onset trigger), and that they can help with depression.

Comment author: CoffeeStain 08 December 2013 07:40:05AM *  2 points [-]

They can help with depression.

I've personally tried this and can report truth, but will caveat that the expectation that I will force myself into a morning cold shower often causes oversleeping, which rather exacerbates depression.

Comment author: Lumifer 04 December 2013 06:02:44AM *  3 points [-]

Hmm... An interesting paper on the effect of cold exposure on lipid profiles and CVD consequences. Mostly on mice, but they took a look at a few humans, too.

As the paper notes, "We should emphasize that it was notoriously difficult to conduct the cold-exposure experiment in human subjects, and the majority of requested individuals were unwilling to collaborate on this project" :-D

Comment author: James_Miller 04 December 2013 01:47:08PM 3 points [-]

Excellent, this gives me another comparative advantage. I wonder how much I can get paid for taking ice baths for science.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 04 December 2013 02:32:46PM 2 points [-]

Wim Hof makes money doing extreme endurance, mostly related to cold.

He believes that some moderate cold training is good for people because changes of temperature make the blood vessels more flexible, though he pursues extreme endurance because he's fascinated by it..

Comment author: Ishaan 06 December 2013 10:17:38PM 1 point [-]

You'd be introducing an extremely specific self selection bias into the experiment, and likely not one that the researchers would be expecting to have to deal with ;)

Comment author: hyporational 04 December 2013 03:34:57AM *  2 points [-]

I wonder if this partly works by increasing brown adipose tissue, or if it's just autonomic acclimatization, or just your increasing ability to tolerate discomfort for that matter.

Wouldn't dressing more warmly work just as well for your purposes?

Comment author: James_Miller 04 December 2013 05:22:05AM 0 points [-]

Even dressed warmly I still dislike the cold.

Comment author: Lumifer 03 December 2013 05:58:41PM 2 points [-]

An interesting experiment. The Seasonal Affective Disorder is usually tied to the amount of sunlight, not to temperatures. But exposure to cold should rev up your metabolism noticeably.

I do somewhat similar things, but I alternate between hot and cold. The ideal situation is a sauna on the shore of an almost-frozen lake, but that's not always easy to arrange :-)

Comment author: hyporational 04 December 2013 03:32:10AM 0 points [-]

That's a narrow ideal you've set. Make a hole in the ice, or bathe in the snow.

Comment author: Lumifer 04 December 2013 04:46:39AM 2 points [-]

Oh, I do roll in the snow. Again, when available...

Comment author: knb 04 December 2013 03:23:18AM 1 point [-]

There are anecdotes floating around the bodybuilding community that ice baths can work really well for promoting fat loss.

Comment author: David_Gerard 04 December 2013 03:07:33PM *  1 point [-]

Tim Ferriss goes on about this in Four Hour Body. Cold showers every morning and evening.

Comment author: ephion 03 December 2013 06:00:27PM 1 point [-]

That is pretty brutal! I know a lot of athletes do cold or contrast baths (ie cold, hot, cold, etc.) to aid in recovering from intense workouts. It wouldn't surprise me if this had other benefits than just temperature acclimation.