Lumifer comments on Snowdenizing UFAI - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 10 December 2013 06:32:42PM 0 points [-]

Nevertheless, we don't yet know if government surveillance and secrecy will be reduced as a result.

This is a pretty much impossible criterion to satisfy.

Just as with AGI defectors, what you get might not be ideal or proper or satisfying or even sufficient -- but that's what you got. Working with that is much preferable to waiting for perfection.

Comment author: DanArmak 10 December 2013 07:23:19PM *  1 point [-]

The criterion of "will surveillance and secrecy be reduced as a result" is the only relevant one. Naturally we can't know results in advance for certain, and that means we can't grade actions like Snowden's in advance either. We do the best we can, but it's still legitimate to point out that the true impact of Snowden's actions is not yet known, when the discussion is about how much you expect to benefit from similar actions taken by others in the future.