ThrustVectoring comments on Consciousness affecting the world - Less Wrong

-3 Post author: DavidPlumpton 06 December 2013 07:37PM

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Comment author: passive_fist 07 December 2013 10:09:31PM *  -1 points [-]

My objection is that he's talking about the purely physical activity of the brain causing someone to write about consciousness and the 'mysterious redness of red', which is something a zombie could also do (by Chalmer's argument). Eliezer, on the other hand, is trying to explain what's wrong with Chalmers' argument. He's talking about the effect of that metaphysical 'hearer' on the world, something which Chalmers says is zero. That's also what DavidPlumpton is asking about, I think.

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 08 December 2013 05:30:25AM 2 points [-]

I don't believe that p-zombies are well defined in the first place - since consciousness is nothing more than the normal action of the brain, and p-zombies have normal brain action, p-zombies experience consciousness. This is a contradiction, which is a big problem for those who believe that p-zombies are a logically coherent concept.

Comment author: passive_fist 08 December 2013 05:50:36AM 0 points [-]

Yes I guessed this might be your position, hence my reply to your top-level comment.