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Fatalism would require eveything-is-physics + physics-is-deterministic. The latter is open to dispute.
And for fatalism to be psychologically problematic, you also need what-you-value-isn't-possible.
You need it to be unikely. If you have a fairly specific and fixed set of requriements, you are unlikley to have them delivered to you by a determinsitc process that doens't care about you. Being able to change thiings to get your requiremetns is not guaranteed, but is more hopeful. And then there is thesage's advice to adjust your requirements to the situation...
I meant, what you value in terms of 'free will'.
Which needs some VERY clear fences around it to avoid wireheading.
Is wireheading really a clearly defined concept to begin with?
No, which is why you need the fences.
Where would you put a fence between smoking and wireheading?
Would you mind unpacking what you understand "fatalism" to describe here?
To keep things simple, I was taking it to mean soemthing likefuture events occuring with probability 1. In fact, it is a rather ticker concept, that can inlude the idea that future evnts are inevitabe even if not causally determined, and the idea of acquiescing psychologically to the future.
OK; thanks for clarifying.