Luke_A_Somers comments on How to not be a fatalist? Need help from people who care about true beliefs. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 15 December 2013 08:18:55PM 0 points [-]

And for fatalism to be psychologically problematic, you also need what-you-value-isn't-possible.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 16 December 2013 05:22:16PM 0 points [-]

And for fatalism to be psychologically problematic, you also need what-you-value-isn't-possible.

You need it to be unikely. If you have a fairly specific and fixed set of requriements, you are unlikley to have them delivered to you by a determinsitc process that doens't care about you. Being able to change thiings to get your requiremetns is not guaranteed, but is more hopeful. And then there is thesage's advice to adjust your requirements to the situation...

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 17 December 2013 01:15:08AM 0 points [-]

I meant, what you value in terms of 'free will'.

Comment author: ialdabaoth 16 December 2013 05:52:39PM 0 points [-]

And then there is thesage's advice to adjust your requirements to the situation...

Which needs some VERY clear fences around it to avoid wireheading.

Comment author: hyporational 16 December 2013 06:31:21PM 0 points [-]

Is wireheading really a clearly defined concept to begin with?

Comment author: ialdabaoth 16 December 2013 06:36:57PM 0 points [-]

No, which is why you need the fences.

Comment author: hyporational 16 December 2013 06:46:49PM 0 points [-]

Where would you put a fence between smoking and wireheading?