passive_fist comments on LINK: AI Researcher Yann LeCun on AI function - Less Wrong

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Comment author: passive_fist 13 December 2013 07:38:46AM 0 points [-]

They are closely related but not the same thing.

A counterexample is chess.

Comment author: Thomas 13 December 2013 08:08:28AM 0 points [-]

What an ideal chess player does? It predicts which move is optimal. May be a tricky feat, but he is good and predicts it well.

I looked this thread in past minutes and I clearly saw this "ideological division". Few people thinks as I do. Other say - you can't solve causal problems with a mere prediction. But don't give a clear example.

Don't you agree, that an ideal "best next chess move predictor" is the strongest possible chess player?

Comment author: passive_fist 13 December 2013 08:16:35AM *  0 points [-]

It predicts which move is optimal.

Maybe it would be useful to define terms, to make things more clear.

If you have a time-process X, and t observations from this process, a predictor comes up with a prediction as to what X_t+1 will be.

On the other hand, given a utility function f() on a series of possible outcomes Y from t+1 to infinity, a decision maker finds the best Y_t+1 to choose to maximize the utility function.

Note that the definition of these two things is not the same: a predictor is concerned about the past and immediate present, whereas a decision maker is concerned with the future.

Comment author: Thomas 13 December 2013 08:23:01AM 0 points [-]

a predictor comes up with a prediction as to what X_t+1 will be

This "t+1" might be "t+X". Results for a large X may be very bad. So as results for "t+1" may be bad. Still he do his best predictions.

whereas a decision maker is concerned with the future

He predicts the best decision, which can be taken.