shokwave comments on Human Evil and Muddled Thinking - Less Wrong

40 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 September 2007 11:43PM

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Comment author: Robin_Hanson2 14 September 2007 12:21:19AM 6 points [-]

This is the great case against hypocrisy, that hypocrisy allows us to act contrary to our ideals, and at times our ideals could have prevented holocausts. I suppose on the other side of the ledger must go the various "social graces" where hypocrisy supposedly smooths social interactions and lets us save face. Is there a way to weigh these two sides against each other, or is there a way to distinguish them, so we could have the good hypocrisy without excessive risk of the bad slipping in too?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 August 2011 02:54:30PM 13 points [-]

Hypocrisy is a protection against bad ideals as well as an impediment to achieving good ideals.

Comment author: shokwave 27 August 2011 03:01:58PM 3 points [-]

I observe that the cases where hypocrisy is beneficial are usually cases where a negative action is recommended and cases where hypocrisy has negative value are usually cases where a positive action is recommended.

I wonder if hypocrisy is simply a patch on reasoning to include risk aversion - or even inaction!

Comment author: Ferro 23 May 2012 09:10:09AM 5 points [-]

If we are in a situation which necessitates hypocrisy with regard to our current ideals in order to maintain 'social graces', we have to ask ourselves whether the integrity of our ideals is more important than preserving said social graces. Hypocrisy is more often a way for us to evade the more onerous parts of our ideals than it is a way to preserve 'social graces'; in these cases we have no excuse for our hypocrisy, and must see it as negative. If 'preservation of social graces' is the purpose of the said hypocrisy, then 'preservation of social graces' has become an ideal for us, and we must decide whether our former ideological system will throw out this new ideal, or whether we pin our life on our social interactions. If we include the concept of 'ideals', we must see new ideals as ideals and measure them against each other. Of course, this can be a circular process and often relies on a gut feeling, but if something is an 'ideal', we cannot allow hypocrisy, because if we think that the hypocrisy in a situation is a good thing, our ideals have changed without us knowing it and we should revise, and make a conscious decision regarding this.

Comment author: Mets 25 May 2014 10:54:27AM 0 points [-]

tl;dr: Hypocrisy is compartmentalization of ideals for preserving 'social graces'.