TheOtherDave comments on Building Phenomenological Bridges - Less Wrong

56 Post author: RobbBB 23 December 2013 07:57PM

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 24 December 2013 12:24:55AM 5 points [-]

FWIW, I don't really see what the line you quote adds to the discussion here.

I mean, I believe that preferences for white wine over red or vice-versa are strictly subjective; there's nothing objectively preferable about one over the other. It doesn't follow that I can say very firmly "I now resolve to prefer red wine!" and subsequently experience red wine as preferable to white wine. And from this we conclude... nothing much, actually.

Conversely, if Eliezer said "Only people who win the lottery are me!" and the next day the numbers Eliezer picked didn't win, and when I talked to Eliezer it turned out they genuinely didn't identify as Eliezer anymore, and their body was going along identifying as someone different... it's not really clear what we could conclude from that, either.

Comment author: HoverHell 14 January 2014 11:53:14AM 1 point [-]

The thing we can indirectly conclude is that “social identity” (“when I talked to … genuinely didn't identify as”) and “personal identity” (whatever that is) can be (at least intuitively) separate.

There's something about subjective perception consituting facts and bridge hypotheses having a validity measure (based on prediction of those facts) despite being “subjective”; but I can't make a better formulation either.

And there's also something about “I now resolve to prefer red wine” possibly working in the same way as “I now set my desktop background to white” (and possibly failing just as well).