fubarobfusco comments on Building Phenomenological Bridges - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 23 December 2013 10:05:49AM *  3 points [-]

Hmm. I previously mentioned that in my model of personal identity, our brains include planning machinery that's based on subjective expectation ("if I do this, what do I expect to experience as a result?"), and that this requires some definition of a "self", causing our brains to always have a model for continuity of self that they use in predicting the future.

Similarly, in the comments of The Anthropic Trilemma, Eliezer says:

It seems to me that there's some level on which, even if I say very firmly, "I now resolve to care only about future versions of myself who win the lottery! Only those people are defined as Eliezer Yudkowskys!", and plan only for futures where I win the lottery, then, come the next day, I wake up, look at the losing numbers, and say, "Damnit! What went wrong? I thought personal continuity was strictly subjective, and I could redefine it however I wanted!"

Translating those notions into the terminology of this post, it would seem like "personal identity" forms an important part of humans' bridge hypothesis: it is a rule that links some specific entity in the world-model into the agent's predicted subjective experience. If I believe that there is a personal continuity between me today and me tomorrow, that means that I predict experiencing the things that me-tomorrow will experience, which means that my bridge hypothesis privileges the me of tomorrow over other agents.

I get the feeling that here lies the answer to Eliezer's question, but I can't quite put my finger on the exact formulation. Something like "you can alter your world-model or even your model of your own bridge hypothesis, but you can't alter..." the actual bridge hypothesis? The actual bridge? Something else?

Comment author: fubarobfusco 24 December 2013 02:09:34PM 0 points [-]

I thought personal continuity was strictly subjective, and I could redefine it however I wanted!

These two claims don't seem to have much to do with each other.

Comment author: ygert 24 December 2013 02:19:19PM 1 point [-]

Well, if subjectivity means "I decide what it is", then this is tautologically true. If you have a broader definition of subjectivity, then yes, they don't seem to have much to do with each other. It seems that he was using the first definition, or something similar to it.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 24 December 2013 03:06:25PM 1 point [-]

When I think of "things that are (defined to be) subjective", the idea that comes to mind is that of qualia. The perceiver of qualia isn't in control of them — if I'm experiencing redness, I can't really choose that it be blue instead. I can say that I'm perceiving blue, but I'd be lying about my own experience.

Comment author: ygert 24 December 2013 03:14:42PM 1 point [-]

Fair enough. I am just pointing out the solution to your confusion: You are talking past one another. Words can be wrong, and it is essential to make sure that such things are sorted out properly for an intelligent discussion.