shminux comments on Building Phenomenological Bridges - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 25 December 2013 07:54:00PM 1 point [-]

but the point is that there are plenty of questions about oneself that aren't necessarily answerable with only the source code.

This may well be a valid point in general, depending on the algorithm, but I am not sure that applies to a quine, which can only ask (and answer) one question. And it is certainly different from your original objection about machine registers and such.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 25 December 2013 08:23:04PM 1 point [-]

This may well be a valid point in general, depending on the algorithm, but I am not sure that applies to a quine, which can only ask (and answer) one question.

What do you mean? Assuming that a quine can only answer a question about the source code (admittedly, the other commenters have pointed out that this assumption doesn't necessarily hold), how does that make the point of "the source code alone isn't enough to represent the whole system" inapplicable to quines?

And it is certainly different from your original objection about machine registers and such.

I don't follow. Machine registers contain parts of the program's state, and I was saying that there are situations where you need to examine the state to understand the program's behavior.