Armok_GoB comments on Building Phenomenological Bridges - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 13 January 2014 04:17:41PM *  1 point [-]

I can track the chain of causality from retina to processing to stored beliefs to action, but no point seems privileged or subjective, and yet it doesn't feel like there's anything missing or anything mysterious the way other people describe.

Can you fully describe every stage?

Comment author: Armok_GoB 14 January 2014 01:05:57AM 1 point [-]

Short answer: Yes. Longer answer: not simultaneously concisely, in detail, accurately, without looking up neuroscience articles, and without more expenditure of time and effort than I am willing to give it in the forseeable future.

"fully describe" is again a tricky thing to do about ANYTHING. Can you fully describe how your OS works?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 14 January 2014 11:34:02AM *  2 points [-]

The point of the hard problem argument is describability in proinciple: I cna describe how my OS works in principle.

Why would you need to look up neursicence to describe your subjective experience, as introspected by you? If you think "describe your experience" means "describe what happens in your head when you experiene as it appears to someone else, from an objective, 3rd person point of view", natruially you are not going to encounter anything subjective,

Comment author: Armok_GoB 14 January 2014 10:21:47PM 1 point [-]

Oh, I missunderstood. That's much easier, here, have it in 3 different notations for extra clarity:

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Comment author: TheAncientGeek 15 January 2014 09:14:08AM 2 points [-]

Do you have any aesthetic prefernces?

Comment author: Armok_GoB 15 January 2014 01:45:50PM 1 point [-]

Very much so. I tend to go out of my way to make things look just right, and add an artistic perspective and flare to everything, even things nobody will ever see.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 15 January 2014 01:52:21PM 1 point [-]

Do you have preferences about colours, tastes and smells?

Comment author: Armok_GoB 17 January 2014 12:01:09AM 1 point [-]

What colours are appropriate for something depends on context. There are tastes and smells that act as strong punishment and forces avoidance and escape behaviors although I'm not sure I'd call it a preference.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 17 January 2014 12:31:09PM 0 points [-]

That's funciontality, not aesthetics.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 17 January 2014 06:25:05PM 0 points [-]

Aesthetics is a subset of functionality, specifically functionality at evoking a specific psychological response.