Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Critiquing Gary Taubes, Part 1: Mainstream Nutrition Science on Obesity - Less Wrong

13 Post author: ChrisHallquist 25 December 2013 06:27PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 December 2013 06:57:48AM 15 points [-]

I would be much more interested in an attempted refutation of the Perfect Health Diet by Jaminet & Jaminet.

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 26 December 2013 06:59:45AM 4 points [-]

Never heard of that one before. What's the reason for your interest in it?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 December 2013 09:39:16AM 6 points [-]

Seems better researched than anything else I've ever read, and is equally indictive of the sort of medical consensus opinion which says saturated fat is bad for you.

Comment author: James_Miller 26 December 2013 07:33:04PM 3 points [-]

I agree. I've read the Perfect Health Diet several times and it has had a big impact on my diet.

Comment author: khafra 30 December 2013 06:24:42PM 1 point [-]

How's your weight and waist/neck/wrist measurments (assuming you don't have DEXA or immersion or something), now, compared to before you read the Perfect Health Diet?

Comment author: James_Miller 30 December 2013 06:44:46PM *  3 points [-]

I'm 5 foot 10 inches and have gone from around 170 to 150 pounds. More importantly, my Cholesterol has greatly improved going from

Whole Cholesterol 150 to 232; Triglycerides 98 to 69; HDL 33 to 76; LDL 98 to 142.

Despite what you might have heard, higher Cholesterol (if it's accompanied by more HDL) is better.

Comment author: shokwave 28 December 2013 11:40:48AM 1 point [-]

It's unfortunate that "calories in, calories out" and "saturated fats are bad" are both general medical consensuses (wow, that word is actually in dictionaries) - it seems very likely the first is true and the second false, but both issues have the same "medical consensus saying they're true vs fringe expert saying they're all wrong" dynamic.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 26 December 2013 05:51:01PM 1 point [-]

I read some of the comments-- the carbohydrates recommended in the book work very well for some people (and better than a very low carbohydrate diet), but there are some people who don't do well on them.

Comment author: ephion 26 December 2013 06:11:08PM 0 points [-]

From a cursory overview, that looks very similar to a standard paleo diet, but without the caveman verbiage or naturalistic fallacy.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 26 December 2013 06:54:23PM *  1 point [-]

Similar, but recommending white rice is utter heresy.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong about the heresy. I must have been confusing paleo with relatively mainstream worries about refined grains.

Comment author: James_Miller 26 December 2013 07:37:06PM 3 points [-]

The Perfect Health Diet recommends you don't go zero carb, and it's very hard to find Paleo non-sugar based carbs (other than sweet potatoes) so white rice is recommended as being not as horrible as the alternatives.

Comment author: ephion 26 December 2013 07:22:50PM 3 points [-]

It might be a gray area according to some, but heresy seems like a little much. A google search has only two results in the first page saying that it's bad, with the rest saying it's fine. Robb Wolf (a paleo advocate) says that rice is OK for active, healthy people (ctrl+f "rice"), and Mark says that white rice isn't bad.