Yvain comments on Critiquing Gary Taubes, Part 3: Did the US Government Give Us Absurd Advice About Sugar? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: passive_fist 29 December 2013 09:35:05AM 1 point [-]

Since people generally eat a constant number of calories a day and since calories come from fat, protein, or carbohydrates, effectively mainstream nutrition was telling people to eat more carbohydrates.

Generally, when people restrict the type of foods they eat, they wind up eating less calories, so this statement is not entirely valid. As far as I recall, mainstream media was trying to get people to eat less fat and eat the minimum amount of protein needed for sustenance (which is arguably low but that's another debate entirely). If people had followed this advice, the total number of calories would be reduced.

Comment author: Yvain 29 December 2013 03:26:17PM 9 points [-]

Here I think you genuinely disagree with Taubes, who believes that people have a caloric set point of sorts and that they are never going to actually decrease the calories they take in, especially if they're not really trying to do so and just pursuing a separate goal like "cut down on fat".

Comment author: passive_fist 29 December 2013 09:30:59PM 0 points [-]

I haven't read his book, but how does he define this set-point?

Comment author: Yvain 01 January 2014 12:01:27AM *  1 point [-]

I don't exactly remember, but I think it's whatever is a healthy weight for your height/age, plus or minus a genetic factor. And drugs/diseases/diets that make people obese do so by disrupting the set point or the body's ability to conform to the set point.

See also here

Comment author: passive_fist 01 January 2014 08:43:47PM 0 points [-]

The explanation offered on the page you linked seems more psychological (i.e. "I want to return to the weight I'm used to") rather than having any basis in the biological needs of the body. Is this assessment correct?

Comment author: Yvain 04 January 2014 04:35:27PM 1 point [-]

That wasn't my impression. See for example the paragraphs about the rats given foods of different caloric densities.

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 January 2014 02:37:55PM 1 point [-]

Defining set points isn't easy. The general observation is that cybernetic principles provide a useful model for various body processes.

Blood pressure get's for example regulated in a complex way but we have no real way to read the set point for it from the body or change the set point. It simply stored somewhere in the brain.

If you are looking at any body parameter where it's important that it stays within a certain range it's a good guess that the body uses cybernetic principles to regulate it.