V_V comments on Why CFAR? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: katydee 01 January 2014 12:17:37AM 1 point [-]

Self-help instructors usually only have a track record of being good at making a living from being self-help instructors (which includes being good at self promotion to the relevant audience). As far as I know, CFAR staff are no different in that regard.

While to some extent I think this criticism may be valid, especially given the fact that it was a known factor prior to the foundation of CFAR, I think it's not entirely fair. Given that CFAR is more or less attempting to create a new curriculum and area of study, it isn't entirely clear what it would look like to have a proven track record in the field.

Now obviously CFAR would be more impressive if it was being run by Daniel Kahneman. But given that that isn't going to happen, I think the organization that we have is doing a fairly good job, especially given that many of their staff members have impressive accomplishments in other domains.

Comment author: V_V 01 January 2014 12:24:44PM *  0 points [-]

it isn't entirely clear what it would look like to have a proven track record in the field.

They want to teach people how to be rational, professionally successful, and altruistic, hence it would be desirable if the staff had strong credentials in that areas, such as being successful scientists, inventors, entrepreneurs, having done something that unquestionably helped many other people, etc.

especially given that many of their staff members have impressive accomplishments in other domains.

Such as?

According to the OP, CFAR has five full time employees. I suppose they are the first five people listed in the website (Galef, Salamon, Smith, Critch and Amodei).
Galef is a blogger and podcaster, Amodei was a theatre stage manager, the others are mathematicians:
Critch is the only PhD of them and has done some research in abstract computer science and applied math. I don't have the expertise to evaluate his work, does it count as an impressive accomplishment?
Salamon mostly worked at SIAI/SI/MIRI and didn't publish much outside MIRI own venues and philosophical conferences.
Smith, I don't know because I cant find much information online.

EDIT:

Actually, according to the profile, Smith has a PhD in math education.

Comment author: katydee 01 January 2014 09:00:32PM 0 points [-]

I don't have the expertise to evaluate his work, does it count as an impressive accomplishment?

Impressiveness exists in the map, not the territory-- but I certainly think so.

Comment author: V_V 01 January 2014 11:57:31PM 0 points [-]

Impressiveness exists in the map, not the territory

Kinda. Science is inter-subjective. Whether or not somebody's contributions are considered breakthroughs by domain experts is an empirical question.