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Comment author: satt 04 January 2014 01:27:01PM 3 points [-]

The mean IQ reported in the latest LW survey will be 137 or less (probability 75%).

Thought I'd squeeze that in before Yvain posts the results. Some background. In the 2012 survey LWers reported having a mean IQ of 138.7. I found (and find) that unlikely, and reckon that average was inflated through a mixture of selective reporting, mis-remembering, perhaps the occasional lie, and people taking old or otherwise iffy tests. However, the 2013 survey should suffer much less from that last problem because (if I remember rightly) it asks only about formally assessed IQs. So I expect the 2013 IQ average to be less (because less inflated) than the 2012 IQ average.

I'm not super confident about this, because there's some countervailing evidence (using self-reported SAT & ACT scores from the 2012 survey as IQ proxies suggests higher IQ estimates, not lower estimates), and because a selection effect could actually worsen the inflation in the 2013 survey (people with higher IQs might be more likely to have their IQs formally tested; if so, asking only for properly measured IQs will selectively pick out high-IQ people). But my hunch is that these issues won't matter so much.

Comment author: satt 20 January 2014 01:42:11AM 2 points [-]

Prediction failed.

(As well as the headline result that the average turned out to be 138.2, see also section V.B, and Vaniver's comment. Also, it looks like I may have been wrong to take Yvain's SAT-and-ACT-to-IQ conversions from last year at face value in the parent comment.)

Comment author: gothgirl420666 28 January 2014 11:24:53PM *  1 point [-]

A 138 average doesn't seem far-fetched at all to me. A little bit of self-serving bias is inevitable, but I highly doubt the real average is e.g. in the 120s. This random website I found says that the average IQ of an Ivy League student is 142. I go to a school that isn't as good as most Ivys but is better than some of them. I would guess the average IQ of a student here is 135-ish. The average LW poster seems much, much smarter to me than the average person at my school.

Comment author: satt 30 January 2014 01:13:34AM 0 points [-]

Yeah, I've moved a bit towards your sort of position because of the 2013/14 results. That said, I don't have an impression of LWers being way, way smarter than other students I encounter in real life.

(I'm also still leery of the poor correlation between education level and IQ, which cropped up again in the latest survey. To go into tedious detail: among those aged ≥29, 25 people with a high school education or less gave a mean IQ of 139.5, and 155 people with more education gave a mean IQ of 140.2. And Nornagest's suggestion to look at the high end now gives a less statistically significant result than last year. The 24 oldsters with PhDs gave a mean IQ of 142.4, and the other 156 non-PhDs gave a mean IQ of 139.8.)

Comment author: Ander 08 January 2014 12:36:24AM 0 points [-]

When will we get to see the results of the LW survey?

Comment author: satt 08 January 2014 01:21:12AM 0 points [-]

No idea (Yvain hasn't said yet), but presumably some time this year!

But I can try to guess. In 2012, Yvain apparently closed the survey on November 26 and reported the results on December 7. In 2011, the survey closed on December 3 and Yvain reported results on December 5. And in 2009, Yvain announced the survey on May 3 and posted its results on May 12. So for those surveys, it's been 11 days, 2 days, and ≈9 days between when the survey closed and when Yvain posted results, and I'd guess that 2-11 days after Yvain closes last year's survey (which he hasn't yet), he'll post its results.

(Maybe I should make that a formal prediction? "2-11 days after Yvain closes the current LW survey, he'll post the results (80%).")