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Comment author: knb 05 January 2014 01:24:34PM *  10 points [-]

It feels like most people have a moral intuition along the lines of "you should let people do what they want, unless they're hurting other people".

If it feels like that, you probably have a very provincial understanding of human moral intuitions. Haidt identified 6 moral foundations, only one of which is harm-based.

  1. Care/harm for others, protecting them from harm.
  2. Fairness/cheating, Justice, treating others in proportion to their actions (He has also referred to this dimension as proportionality.)
  3. Liberty/oppression, characterizes judgments in terms of whether subjects are tyrannized.
  4. Loyalty/betrayal to your group, family, nation. (He has also referred to this dimension as Ingroup.)
  5. Authority/subversion for tradition and legitimate authority. (He has also connected this foundation to a notion of Respect.)
  6. Sanctity/degradation, avoiding disgusting things, foods, actions. (He has also referred to this as Purity.)
Comment author: scrafty 06 January 2014 12:33:47AM 5 points [-]

I don't see how the fact that the permissiveness principle is only based on one (two, actually, including the third one) of the six foundations would imply that it's not a widely-held intuition.

Comment author: knb 06 January 2014 05:33:44PM 3 points [-]

You're falsely conflating the permissiveness principle with those moral foundations. The permissiveness principle is a much stronger position, which states that things are only immoral if they cause harm.

Comment author: philh 07 January 2014 12:26:39AM 0 points [-]

I was thinking of the PP as more of a rule of thumb.

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