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Comment author: Douglas_Knight 05 January 2014 08:34:13PM -1 points [-]

Maybe for first languages, but it's hard to do that experiment. It's widely held false belief that children are good at learning second languages. wikipedia has the hilarious quote:

Certainly, older learners of a second language rarely achieve the native-like fluency that younger learners display, despite often progressing faster than children in the initial stages. This is generally accepted as evidence supporting the [critical period hypothesis].

Comment author: Lumifer 06 January 2014 09:45:46PM 1 point [-]

It's widely held false belief that children are good at learning second languages.

I am not sure it's false, that may depend on how do you define "children".

I personally know a couple of kids who were forced to learn a different language around the ages of 4-5. The process went much faster and easier than with adults.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 January 2014 03:35:05AM 7 points [-]

To expand on Douglas_Knight's answer, if it seems counter intuitive that is because children spend basically all their waking hours in a learning environment for nearly two decades of their life. Most of that time is spent learning or using in some way one or more languages.

The typical adult method for learning a second langauge, on the other hand, is to spend an hour or two a week in a classroom or with a tutor. No wonder it doesn't work as well.

To compare apples-to-apples, consider for example the Monterey Naval Postgraduate School which trains American soldiers and intelligence officers. Using a full-immersion, 24/7 learning environment they are able to take adult learners from zero to near practical fluency in months to years (depending on the difficulty of the language). Similar results are reported with Peace Core volunteers, for example, at least those which find themselves in a fully non-English environment.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 06 January 2014 10:37:31PM 4 points [-]

No, it doesn't depend on how you define "children." People get continually better at learning second languages, up at least to age 16. For every aspect of language (except accent) that people have measured, older people learn faster. Forget your anecdotes and read the literature.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 07 January 2014 02:28:16PM 5 points [-]

If you're appealing to the literature, it would be good form to provide references.

Comment author: Zaine 07 January 2014 09:06:50AM 1 point [-]

Would this include humans less than four years of age?

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 07 January 2014 05:05:23PM 0 points [-]

I've only seen one study that included 3 year-olds. And it didn't include many, so it didn't break them out and only concluded that the range of 3-5 did worse than 6-7.