James_Miller comments on Another Critique of Effective Altruism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: V_V 06 January 2014 12:28:11AM -2 points [-]

Your argument is missing a step, namely the one where you show that those things really are very bad

Criminal organizations murdering thousands people are not something very bad?

even though this sort of analysis suggests that they do little harm.

It is a reductio ad absurdum.

But perhaps you are imagining a version of James that would endorse buying the drugs even if that does no good at all, merely on the grounds that the harm done is small.

Buying drugs (well, let's say marijuana) supposedly does good to the rational consumers who like them. Like buying child pornography or visiting child prostitutes in third world countries does good to pedophiles, and so on.
All these people could use marginal analysis to argue that whatever harm they are doing is negligible and doesn't outweigh their gains.

If you agree with them then clearly you have much different moral principles that I have.

Comment author: James_Miller 06 January 2014 12:38:25AM *  2 points [-]

A friend comes to you and says "I really like marijuana but recognize that my using it harms people because of the nasty drug trade. I am considering either (1) not using marijuana, or (2) using marijuana but giving $50,000 a year more than I normally would to charity. I will give to GiveWell's top charity. The second option would give me a happier life. I trust your judgement. Which of these two options is morally better? "

Comment author: V_V 06 January 2014 01:17:08AM *  0 points [-]

Uh? The proper analogy is that your friend says "I'm considering working at a minimum wage blue collar job and not donating anything or working as a drug gangster and giving $50,000 a year to GiveWell's top charity. The second option would give me a happier life. I trust your judgement. Which of these two options is morally better? "

Comment author: James_Miller 06 January 2014 01:42:10AM 2 points [-]

Alright, I pick the drug gangster path, taking into account the fact that his being a drug gangster probably displaces someone else from selling to his customers and so the marginal harm of this career choice isn't all that high.

Comment author: V_V 06 January 2014 01:44:24AM 2 points [-]

Ok, we clearly have irreconcilably different values.