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Comment author: fubarobfusco 06 January 2014 01:54:26AM *  21 points [-]

Many LWers are willing to entertain ideas about the existence and possible importance of average group differences in psychological traits. So, maybe LWers are racists. But they're racists who continually obsess over optimizing their philanthropic contributions to African charities.

There are individuals who comment on LW and who are avowed racists.

There are individuals who comment on LW and who obsess over optimizing their philanthropic contributions to African charities.

I'm not sure these are the same individuals.

Just because there are infinitely many even numbers, and infinitely many primes, does not mean there are infinitely many even primes. Just because the most common given name in the world is Muhammad, and the most common surname is Wang, does not mean that the typical human being is named Muhammad Wang. Just because Brooklyn has a notably unusual number of wild parrots for a northerly place, and a notably unusual number of Hasidim, does not mean that there are any Hasidic parrots in Brooklyn.

Comment author: passive_fist 06 January 2014 11:08:24PM *  3 points [-]

That definition of 'racist' is what Yvain calls a non-central fallacy: http://lesswrong.com/lw/e95/the_noncentral_fallacy_the_worst_argument_in_the/

If you can definitively prove "the existence and possible importance of average group differences in psychological traits", then the true and rational position to take would be racism. Now, as far as I know or have researched, no conclusive arguments have been made for accepting racism. However, when you say 'racist', it conjures up images like this:

(EDIT: this picture was embedded; it's now linked instead)

http://motherboard-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/content-images/article/ironically-a-mans-face-can-tell-you-if-hes-likely-to-act-like-a-racist/048156b6350757d5b198262bdfb53d92_vice_630x420.jpg

Comment author: James_Miller 07 January 2014 01:02:36AM 6 points [-]

I didn't downvote you, but consider the impact this picture would have on someone quickly looking at this post to see if they want to participate in LW. Are you being ironic or something?

Comment author: passive_fist 07 January 2014 01:58:04AM *  5 points [-]

I see. I didn't consider that at all; that's a good point. I removed the picture.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 January 2014 10:16:49PM 4 points [-]

This picture of a lynching is closer to my "why I think racism is bad" image.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 07 January 2014 11:03:47PM 5 points [-]

Emotionally salient stories are the stuff scope insensitivity is made of. I point this out not because I disagree with you, I believe it is more important to notice this stuff WRT things you agree with than things you disagree with.

Comment author: Bakkot 07 January 2014 01:57:07AM 2 points [-]

Didn't downvote you, but I'm willing to bet it was because you embedded an image rather than linking it.