ChristianKl comments on A big Singularity-themed Hollywood movie out in April offers many opportunities to talk about AI risk - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 08 January 2014 12:11:05PM 0 points [-]

Eliezer's posts do a great job of explaining the actual dangers of unfriendly AI, more along the lines of "the AI neither loves you, nor hates you, but you are composed of matter it can use for other things".

I'm not sure that's true. At the beginning stages where an AI is vulnerable it might very well use violence to prevent itself from getting destroyed.

Comment author: timtyler 10 January 2014 12:18:08AM *  -2 points [-]

Also, competition between humans (with machines as tools) seems far more likely to kill people than a superintelligent runaway. However, it's (arguably) not so likely to kill everybody. MIRI appears to be focussing on the "killing everybody case". That is because - according to them - that is a really, really bad outcome.

The idea that losing 99% of humans would be acceptable losses may strike laymen as crazy. However, it might appeal to some of those in the top 1%. People like Peter Thiel, maybe.

Comment author: RobbBB 09 January 2014 02:03:12AM *  2 points [-]

Hurricanes act with 'violence' in the sense of destructive power, but hurricanes don't hate people. The idea is that an AGI, like an intelligent hurricane, can be dangerous without bearing any special animosity for humans, indeed without caring or thinking about humans in any way whatsoever.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 January 2014 12:44:07PM 0 points [-]

The idea is that an AGI, like an intelligent hurricane, can be dangerous without bearing any special animosity for humans, indeed without caring or thinking about humans in any way whatsoever.

No. That's not what he said. There's a difference between claiming that A can be dangerous without X and claiming that a scenario that A can be dangerous due to X.

There more than one plausible UFAI scenario. We do have discussions about boxing AI and in those cases it's quite useful to model the AI as trying to act against humans to get out.

Comment author: RobbBB 09 January 2014 08:38:29PM *  0 points [-]

There's a difference between claiming that A can be dangerous without X and claiming that a scenario that A can be dangerous due to X.

If intelligent hurricanes loved you, they might well avoid destroying you. So it can indeed be said that intelligent hurricanes' indifference to us is part of what makes them dangerous.

We do have discussions about boxing AI and in those cases it's quite useful to model the AI as trying to act against humans to get out.

"the AI neither loves you, nor hates you" is compatible with 'your actions are getting in the way of the AI's terminal goals'. We don't need to appeal to interpersonal love and hatred in order to model the fact that a rational agent is competing in a zero-sum game.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 January 2014 09:48:54PM 0 points [-]

We don't need to appeal to interpersonal love and hatred in order to model the fact that a rational agent is competing in a zero-sum game.

There a difference between "need to appeal" and something being a possible explanation.

Comment author: RobbBB 09 January 2014 10:31:21PM *  0 points [-]

Sure, but love and hate are rather specific posits. Empirically, the vast majority of dangerous processes don't experience them. Empirically, the vast majority of agents don't experience them. Very plausibly, the vast majority of possible intelligent agents also don't experience them. "the AI neither loves you, nor hates you" is not saying 'it's impossible to program an AI to experience love or hate'; it's saying that most plausible uFAI disaster scenarios result from AGI disinterest in human well-being rather than from AGI sadism or loathing.