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Comment author: Laoch 08 January 2014 02:00:13PM *  1 point [-]

Is anybody interested in enactivism? Does anybody think that there is a cognitivist bias in LessWrong?

Comment author: shminux 08 January 2014 08:17:49PM 2 points [-]

The wiki entry you linked is extremely unclear. Can you explain what enactivism is in simple words, using the vocabulary like http://splasho.com/upgoer5/ ?

Comment author: polymathwannabe 11 January 2014 07:12:45AM 1 point [-]

If I've understood it correctly, it's the idea that the way our mind works is severely constrained by our physical form. For example, one of my pet hypotheses is that, since we are bipeds that grow up vertically, we're conditioned to think that more important things are in a vertically higher position than less important things (our language is littered with such metaphors: superior, inferior, exalted, debased, etc.). It shouldn't be immediately obvious that things farther from the ground have greater value, but I've found it difficult to show to other people that vertical metaphors are metaphors, and that we'd use different ones if our bodies were different.

Comment author: Nisan 14 January 2014 07:44:08AM *  2 points [-]

You might be interested in Metaphors We Live By by Lakoff and Johnson. It explores cognitive metaphors like HAPPY IS UP, HEALTHY IS UP, etc.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 15 January 2014 12:36:54AM 0 points [-]

Thank you.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 11 January 2014 08:28:35AM 0 points [-]

For example, one of my pet hypotheses is that, since we are bipeds that grow up vertically, we're conditioned to think that more important things are in a vertically higher position than less important things

Does this matter, though? A question I have about the whole field of embodied cognition.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 11 January 2014 07:05:27PM 0 points [-]

It keeps a check on our expectations for mutual understanding with alien species. A lot of our idioms and mental habits won't have any meaning for them, and vice versa. This already happens between human cultures, but it will happen even more with species that don't share our biologic history. Ultimately, it will compel us to reconsider how much of our thinking is generalizable, and how much is the contingent product of our evolution.

Comment author: Laoch 09 January 2014 09:34:51AM 0 points [-]

When I get the time surely. I find cognitive science by definition quite unclear, it seems far too young a discipline with many different goals and theories attaching themselves to the moniker Cognitive Science. From a personal perspective and from the formal education I've received the cognitivism which I think lesswrong/tranhumanists endorse make me very uneasy even though I'm a LW and TH.