Gunnar_Zarncke comments on Dr. Jubjub predicts a crisis - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 10 January 2014 06:12:45PM 6 points [-]

a Scandinavian country which set aside an island for growing big trees for making wooden warships in the 1900s,

One could also see this as part of a diversified investment strategy. Putting aside some existing ressources for future use is surely not a bad idea. The inteded purpose may have been 'wrong'. But as you say: It can have an unanticipated benefit.

Comment author: Lumifer 10 January 2014 06:20:06PM 5 points [-]

One could also see this as part of a diversified investment strategy.

And that seeing would be an excellent example of a post-factum justification of an error.

Comment author: drethelin 10 January 2014 10:50:01PM 6 points [-]

or an argument that we should act so that even if we are in error the consequences are not dire.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2014 01:31:20AM 4 points [-]

I submit that none of us has a clue as to the consequences in a hundred years of what we are doing now.

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 11 January 2014 02:14:31AM 1 point [-]

Really? Is this something you've said before and I've missed it? If true, it has huge implications.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2014 03:54:16AM 2 points [-]

I don't think I've said it before in these words but I may have expressed the same idea.

Why do you think there are huge implications?

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 11 January 2014 05:27:17AM 4 points [-]

If I believe that, I would forget about AI, x-risk and just focus on third-world poverty.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2014 05:53:23AM 1 point [-]

Well, it's up to you to decide how much the uncertainty of outcome should influence your willingness to do something. It's OK to think it's worthwhile to follow a certain path even if you don't know where would it ultimately lead.

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 11 January 2014 05:59:45AM 3 points [-]

"Uncertainty" is different than "no clue." Or maybe I'm assuming too much about what you mean by "no clue" - to my ear it sounds like saying we have no basis for action.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 January 2014 02:55:33PM 1 point [-]

Large amounts of uncertainty including the paradoxical possibility of black swans == no clue.

it sounds like saying we have no basis for action

You have no basis for action if you are going to evaluate your actions on the basis of consequences in a hundred years.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 January 2014 05:52:00AM 0 points [-]

You don't have more information about the hundred-year effects of your third-world poverty options than you do about the hundred-year effects of your AI options.

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 11 January 2014 06:00:46AM 6 points [-]

Effects of work on AI are all about the long run. Working on third-world poverty, on the other hand, has important and measurable short-run benefits.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 January 2014 06:02:24AM 3 points [-]

Good point!

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 10 January 2014 10:32:03PM 2 points [-]

Sure if you intended it for one special purpose and just got lucky with another purpose it would be a good excuse. We don't know what the Scandinavians reasoned other than the possibly often retold war-skip story.

The lesson: If you reserve ressources for a specific purpose either make sure to allow more general usage or reserve multiple different ressources for other purposes too.