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I'd like to answer questions about how AI might represent itself as a LW user, or vice-versa.
I've been getting an increasing number of interview requests from reporters and book writers (stemming from my connection with Bitcoin). In the interest of being lazy, instead of doing more private interviews I figure I'd create an entry here and let them ask questions publicly, so I can avoid having to answer redundant questions. I'm also open to answering any other questions of LW interest here.
In preparation for this AMA, I've updated my script for retrieving and sorting all comments and posts of a given LW user, to also allow filtering by keyword or regex. So you can go to http://www.ibiblio.org/weidai/lesswrong_user.php, enter my username "Wei_Dai", then (when the page finishes loading) enter "bitcoin" in the "filter by" box to see all of my comments/posts that mention Bitcoin.
I don't follow Bitcoin development very closely, basically just reading about it if a story shows up on New York Times or Wired. If you're curious as to why, see this post and this thread.
Yes, that looks likely to be the case.
That's part of it. If decentralized cryptocurrency is ultimately good for the world, then Bitcoin may be bad because its flawed monetary policy prevents or delays widespread adoption of cryptocurrency. But another part is that cryptocurrency and other cypherpunk/cryptoanarchist ideas may ultimately be harmful even if they are successful in their goals. For example they tend to make it harder for governments to regulate economic activity, but we may need such regulation to reduce existential risk from AI, nanotech, and other future technologies.
If one wants to push the future in a positive direction, it seems to me that there are better things to work on than Bitcoin.
I'm doing a thesis paper on Bitcoin and was wondering if you, being specifically stated as one of the main influences on Bitcoin by Satoshi Nakamoto in his whitepaper references,could give me your take on how Bitcoin is today versus whatever project you imagined when you wrote "b-money". What is different? What is the same? What should change?
I received this question via email earlier. Might as well answer it here as well.
In b-money the money creation rate is not fixed, but instead there are mechanisms that give people incentives to create the right amount of money to ensure price stability or maximize economic growth. I specified the PoW to have no other value in order to not give people an extra incentive to create money (beyond what the mechanism provides). But with Bitcoin this doesn't apply since the money creation rate is fixed. I haven't thought about this much though, so I can't say that it won't cause some other problem with Bitcoin that I'm not seeing.
Two years ago he turned down $100k for it.
I received another question from this same interlocutor:
Hmm, I’m not sure. I thought it might have been the optimizations I put into my SHA256 implementation in March 2009 (due to discussions on the NIST mailing list for standardizing SHA-3, about how fast SHA-2 really is), which made it the fastest available at the time, but it looks like Bitcoin 0.1 was already released prior to that (in Jan 2009) and therefore had my old code. Maybe someone could test if the old code was still faster than OpenSSL?
The correct pronunciation of your name.
Wei - is it pronounced as in 'way' or 'why'?
And Dai - as in 'dye' or 'day'?
Thank you.
It's Chinese Pinyin romanization, so pronounced "way dye".
ETA: Since Pinyin is a many to one mapping, and as a result most Chinese articles about Bitcoin put the wrong name down for me, I'll take this opportunity to mention that my name is written logographically as 戴维.
What do you make of the decision to use C++?
Do you have any opinions of the original coding beyond the 'inelegant but amazingly resilient' meme? Was there anything that stood out about it?
It seems like a pretty standard choice for anyone wanting to build such a piece of software...
No I haven't read any of it.
I received a PM from someone at a Portuguese newspaper who I think meant to post it publicly, so I'll respond publicly here.
I think Satoshi is probably one person.
Not sure what the first part of the question means. I don't expect Satoshi to voluntarily reveal his identity in the near future, but maybe he will do so eventually?
Don't understand this one either.
I'm pretty sure it's not a pump-and-dump scheme, or a government project.
No I don't think it's Szabo or anyone else whose name is known to me. I explained why I don't think it's Szabo to a reporter from London's Sunday Times who wrote about it in the March 2 issue. I'll try to find and quote the relevant section.
I worked on it from roughly 1995 to 1998. I've used pseudonyms only on rare (probably less than 10) occasions. I'm not Szabo but coincidentally we attended the same university and had the same major and graduated within a couple years of each other. Theoretically we could have seen each other on campus but I don't think we ever spoke in real life.
To be honest I didn't initially expect Bitcoin to make as much impact as it has, and I'm still at a bit of a loss to explain why it has succeeded to the extent that it has. In my experience lots of promising ideas especially in the field of cryptography never get anywhere in practice. But anyway, it's probably a combination of many things. Satoshi's knowledge and skill. His choice of an essentially fixed monetary base which ensures early adopters large windfalls if Bitcoin were to become popular, and which appeals to people who distrust flexible government monetary policies. Timing of the introduction to coincide with the economic crisis. Earlier discussions of related ideas which allowed his ideas to be more readily accepted. The availability of hardware and software infrastructure for him to build upon. Probably other factors that I'm neglecting.
(Actually I'd be interested to know if anyone else has written a better explanation of Bitcoin's success. Can anyone reading this comment point me to such an explanation?)
Don't have much to say on these. Others have probably thought much more about these questions over the past months and years and are more qualified than I am to answer.
I had the article jailbroken recently, and the relevant parts (I hope I got it right, my version has scrambled-up text) are:
I actually meant to email you about this earlier, but is there any chance you could post those emails (you've made them half-public as it is, and Dustin Trammell posted his a while back) or elaborate on Nick not knowing C++?
I've been trying to defend Szabo against the accusations of being Satoshi*, but to be honest, his general secrecy has made it very hard for me to rule him out or come up with a solid defense. If, however, he doesn't even know C or C++, then that massively damages the claims he's Satoshi. (Oh, one could work around it by saying he worked with someone else who did know C/C++, but that's pretty strained and not many people seriously think Satoshi was a group.)
* on Reddit, HN, and places like http://blog.sethroberts.net/2014/03/11/nick-szabo-is-satoshi-nakamoto-the-inventor-of-bitcoin/ or https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/ (my response) / http://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/occams-razor-who-is-most-likely-to-be-satoshi-nakamoto/
Sure, I have no objection to making them public myself, and I don't see anything in them that Satoshi might want to keep private, so I'll forward them to you to post on your website. (I'm too lazy to convert the emails into HTML myself.)
Sorry, you misunderstood when I said "Nick isn't known for being a C++ programmer". I didn't mean that he doesn't know C++. Given that he was a computer science major, he almost certainly does know C++ or can easily learn it. What I meant is that he is not known to have programmed much in C or C++, or known to have done any kind of programming that might have kept one's programming skills sharp enough to have implemented Bitcoin (and to do it securely to boot). If he was Satoshi I would have expected to see some evidence of his past programming efforts.
But the more important reason for me thinking Nick isn't Satoshi is the parts of Satoshi's emails to me that are quoted in the Sunday Times. Nick considers his ideas to be at least an independent invention from b-money so why would Satoshi say "expands on your ideas into a complete working system" to me, and cite b-money but not Bit Gold in his paper, if Satoshi was Nick? An additional reason that I haven't mentioned previously is that Satoshi's writings just don't read like Nick's to me.
Done: http://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto
(Sorry for the delay, but a black-market was trying to blackmail me and I didn't want my writeup to go live so I was delaying everything.)
Thanks.
I see. Unfortunately, this damages my defense: I can no longer say there's no evidence Szabo doesn't even know C/C++, but I have to confirm that he does. Your point about sharpness is well-taken, but the argument from silence here is very weak since Szabo hasn't posted any code ever aside from a JavaScript library, so we have no idea whether he has been keeping up with his C or not.
Good question. I wonder if anyone ever asked Satoshi about what he thought of Bit Gold?
I've seen people say the opposite! This is why I put little stock in people claiming Satoshi and $FAVORITE_CANDIDATE sound alike (especially given they're probably in the throes of confirmation bias and would read in the similarity if at all possible). Hopefully someone competent at stylometrics will at some point do an analysis.
I've been working hard on this in my book. (Nearly there by the way). I posted this on Like In A Mirror but put it here as well in case it doesn't get approved.
Yes, the writing styles of Szabo and Satoshi are the same.
Apart from the British spelling.
And the different punctuation habits.
And the use of British expressions like mobile phone and flat and bloody.
And Szabo’s much longer sentences.
And the fact that Szabo doesn’t make the same spelling mistakes that Satoshi does.
Ooh and the fact that Szabo’s writing has a lot more humour to it than Satoshi’s.
Szabo is one of the few people that has the breadth, depth and specificity of knowledge to achieve what Satoshi has, agreed. He is the right age, has the right background and was in the right place at the right time. He ticks a lot of the right boxes.
But confirmation bias is a dangerous thing. It blinkers.
And you need to think about the dangers your posts are creating in the life of a reclusive academic.
Satoshi is first and foremost a coder, not a writer. Szabo is a writer first and coder second. To draw any serious conclusions you need to find some examples of Szabo’s c++ coding.
You also need to find some proof a Szabo’s hacking (or anti-hacking) experience. Satoshi has rather a lot of this.
And you need to consider the possibility that Satoshi learnt his English on both sides of the Atlantic. And that English was not his first language. I don’t think it was.
Szabo has extensively studied British history for his legal and monetary theories (it's hard to miss this if you've read his essays), so I do not regard the Britishisms as a point against Szabo. It's perfectly easy to pick up Britishisms if you watch BBC programs or read The Economist or Financial Times (I do all three and as it happens, I use 'bloody' all the time in colloquial speech - a check of my IRC logs shows me using it 72 times, and at least once in my more formal writings on gwern.net, and 'mobile phone' pops up 3 or 4 times in my chat logs; yet I have spent perhaps 3 days in the UK in my life). And Satoshi is a very narrow, special-purpose pseudonymic identity which has one and only one purpose: to promote and work on Bitcoin - Bitcoin is not a very humorous subject, nor does it really lend itself to long essays (or long sentences). And I'm not sure how you could make any confident claims about spelling mistakes without having done any stylometrics, given that both Szabo and Satoshi write well and you would expect spelling mistakes to be rare by definition.
Points noted. All well made. Mine was a heated rebuttal to the Like IN A Mirror post.
I could only find one spelling mistake in all Satoshi's work and a few punctuation quibbles. It's a word that is commonly spelt wrong - but that Szabo spells right. I don't want to share it here because I'm keeping it for the book
Thank you so much Wei Dai.
My idea with second question was to understand if there is like an anarchist motivation around bitcoin that may have some risks in the future. I mean, if somehow when it reaches Wall Street the original developers can do anythink to affect credibility.
You say you don't think it was Szabo. Have you ever try to know who he was? Could you share who is your solid hunch and why?
Is relevant to know Satoshi?
If you know what you know today, would you have patented bmoney? Do you think bitcoin inventers would have done the same?
Kind regards Marta
Ok, I think I see what you're getting at. First of all, crypto-anarchy is very different from plain anarchy. We (or at least I) weren't trying to destroy government, but just create new virtual communities that aren't ruled by the threat of violence. Second I'm not sure Satoshi would even consider himself a crypto-anarchist. I think he might have been motivated more by a distrust of financial institutions and government monetary authorities and wanted to create a monetary system that didn't have to depend on such trust. All in all, I don't think there is much risk in this regard.
I haven't personally made any attempts to find out who he is, nor do I have any idea how. My guess is that he's not anyone who was previously active in the academic cryptography or cypherpunks communities, because otherwise he probably would have been identified by now based on his writing and coding styles.
I think at this point it doesn't matter too much, except to satisfy people's curiosity.
No, because along with a number of other reasons not to patent it, the whole point of b-money was to have a money system that governments can't control or shut down by force, so how would I be able to enforce the patent? I don't think Satoshi would have patented his ideas either, because I think he is not motivated mainly to personally make money, but to change the world and to solve an interesting technical problem. Otherwise he would have sold at least some of his mined Bitcoins in order to spend or to diversify into other investments.
Bruce Wayne: As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.
--Batman Begins
The concerns in this space go beyond personal safety, though that isn't an insignificant one. For safety, It doesn't matter what one can prove because almost by definition anyone who is going to be dangerous is not behaving in an informed and rational way, consider the crazy person who was threatening Gwern. It's also not possible to actually prove you do not own a large number of Bitcoins-- the coins themselves are pseudonymous, and many people can not imagine that a person would willingly part with a large amount of money (or decline to take it in the first place).
No one knows which, if any, Bitcoins are owned by the system's creator. There is a lot of speculation which is know to me to be bogus; e.g. identifying my coins as having belonged to the creator. So even if someone were to provably dispose of all their holdings, there will be people alleging other coins.
The bigger issue is that the Bitcoin system gains much of its unique value by being defined by software, by mechanical rule and not trust. In a sense, Bitcoin matters because its creator doesn't. This is a hard concept for most people, and there is a constant demand by the public to identify "the person in charge". To stand out risks being appointed Bitcoin's central banker for life, and in doing so undermine much of what Bitcoin has accomplished.
Being a "thought leader" also produces significant demands on your time which can inhibit making meaningful accomplishments.
Finally, it would be an act which couldn't be reversed.
Why do you think so?
This is interesting and something I hadn't thought about. Now I'm more curious who Satoshi is and why he or she or they have decided to remain anonymous. Thanks! You might want to post your idea somewhere else too, like the Bitcoin reddit or forum, since probably not many people will get to read it here.
Thank you so much Wei Dai for all the answers.
You say other previously active member would have been identified base on this writing and coding style. There is exacly what Skye Grey says he/she's doing for matching Szabo with Satoshi on the blog LikeinaMirror - he say's he's 99,9% sure Szabo is Satoshi. https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2014/03/
Dorian Nakamoto theory may have any ground?
What made you think Satoshi motivation was distrust rather than crypto-anarchy? Someone that have loose money for instance in Lehman Brothers banrupcy? It was also in 2008
Why is anonimity important to crypto community? Just to confirm, Wei Dai is a pseudonym?
Thank you again
I agree with gwern's answers and will add a couple of my own.
No, I doubt it.
Grey's post is worthless. I haven't written a rebuttal to his second, but about his first post, see http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ruluz/satoshi_nakamoto_is_probably_nick_szabo/cdr2vgu
Because he said so. Haven't you done any background reading? (And how many private individuals could have lost money in Lehman Brothers anyway...)
Seriously?
No, it's real.
Since the birth and early growth of Bitcoin, how has your view on the prospects for crypto-anarchy changed (if at all)? Why?
My views haven't changed very much, since the main surprise of Bitcoin to me is that people find such a system useful for reasons other than crypto-anarchy. Crypto-anarchy still depends on the economics of online security favoring the defense over the offense, but as I mentioned in Work on Security Instead of Friendliness? that still seems to be true only in limited domains and false overall.
I'm not sure there is any. A big part of it is that metaphilosophy is essentially a complete blank, so we have no way of saying what counts as a correct solution to a philosophical problem, and hence no way of achieving high confidence that any particular philosophical problem has been solved, except maybe simple (and hence not very interesting) problems, where the solution is just intuitively obvious to everyone or nearly everyone. It's also been my experience that any time we seem to make real progress on some interesting philosophical problem, additional complications are revealed that we didn't foresee, which makes the problem seem even harder to solve than before the progress was made. I think we have to expect this trend to continue for a while yet.
If you instead ask what are some interesting philosophical problems that we can expect visible progress on in the near future, I'd cite decision theory and logical uncertainty, just based on how much new effort people are putting into them, and results from the recent past.
No I don't think that's necessarily true. It's possible that normative ethics, metaethics, and metaphilosophy are all solved before someone builds an FAI, especially if we can get significant intelligence enhancement to happen first. (Again, I think we need to solve metaethics and metaphilosophy first, otherwise how do we know that any proposed solution to normative ethics is actually correct?)
Unfortunately, not yet. BTW I'm not saying these are fields that definitely have low hanging fruit. I'm saying these are fields that could have low hanging fruit, based on how few people have worked in them.
I do have some early role models. I recall wanting to be a real-life version of the fictional "Sandor Arbitration Intelligence at the Zoo" (from Vernor Vinge's novel A Fire Upon the Deep) who in the story is known for consistently writing the clearest and most insightful posts on the Net. And then there was Hal Finney who probably came closest to an actual real-life version of Sandor at the Zoo, and Tim May who besides inspiring me with his vision of cryptoanarchy was also a role model for doing early retirement from the tech industry and working on his own interests/causes.
Thanks. I have some followup questions :)
Please correct me if I've misrepresented your views.
If you go through my posts on LW, you can read most of the questions that I've been thinking about in the last few years. I don't think any of the problems that I raised have been solved so I'm still attempting to answer them. To give a general idea, these include questions in philosophy of mind, philosophy of math, decision theory, normative ethics, meta-ethics, meta-philosophy. And to give a specific example I've just been thinking about again recently: What is pain exactly (e.g., in a mathematical or algorithmic sense) and why is it bad? For example can certain simple decision algorithms be said to have pain? Is pain intrinsically bad, or just because people prefer not to be in pain?
As a side note, I don't know if it's good from a productivity perspective to jump around amongst so many different questions. It might be better to focus on just a few with the others in the back of one's mind. But now that I have so many unanswered questions that I'm all very interested in, it's hard to stay on any of them for very long. So reader beware. :)
Yes, but I tend not to advertise too much that people should be less certain about their altruism, since it's hard to see how that could be good for me regardless of what my values are or ought to be. I make an exception of this for people who might be in a position to build an FAI, since if they're too confident about altruism then they're likely to be too confident about many other philosophical problems, but even then I don't stress it too much.
I guess there is a spectrum of concern over philosophical problems involved in building an FAI/AGI, and I'm on the far end of the that spectrum. I think most people building AGI mainly want short term benefits like profits or academic fame, and do not care as much about the far reaches of time and space, in which case they'd naturally focus more on the immediate engineering issues.
Among people working on FAI, I guess they either have not thought as much about philosophical problems as I have and therefore don't have a strong sense of how difficult those problems are, or are just overconfident about their solutions. For example when I started in 1997 to think about certain seemingly minor problems about how minds that can be copied should handle probabilities (within a seemingly well-founded Bayesian philosophy), I certainly didn't foresee how difficult those problems would turn out to be. This and other similar experiences made me update my estimates of how difficult solving philosophical problems is in general.
BTW I would not describe myself as "working on FAI" since that seems to imply that I endorse the building of an FAI. I like to use "working on philosophical problems possibly relevant to FAI".
Pretty much just here. I do read a bunch of other blogs, but tend not to comment much elsewhere since I like having an archive of my writings for future reference, and it's too much trouble to do that if I distribute them over many different places. If I change my main online hangout in the future, I'll note that on my home page.
Pain isn't reliably bad, or at least some people (possibly a fairly proportion), seek it out in some contexts. I'm including very spicy food, SMBD, deliberately reading things that make one sad and/or angry without it leading to any useful action, horror fiction, pushing one's limits for its own sake, and staying attached to losing sports teams.
I think this leads to the question of what people are trying to maximize.
One issue is that an altruist has a harder time noticing if he's doing something wrong. An altruist with false beliefs is much more dangerous than an egotist with false beliefs.
FWIW, I have always been impressed by the consistent clarity and conciseness of your LW posts. Your ratio of insights imparted to words used is very high. So, congratulations! And as an LW reader, thanks for your contributions! :)
What is he doing, by the way? Wikipedia says he's still alive but he looks to be either retired or in deep cover...
Good morning Wei,
Thank you for doing this. It seems like an excellent solution.
My name's Dominic Frisby. I'm an author from the UK, currently working on a book on Bitcoin (http://unbound.co.uk/books/bitcoin).
Here are some questions I'd like to ask.
What steps, if any, did you take to coding up your b-money idea? If none, or very few, why did you go no further with it?
You had some early correspondence with Satoshi. What do you think his motivation behind Bitcoin was? Was it, simply, the challenge of making something work that nobody had made work before? Was it the potential riches? Was it altruistic or political, maybe - did he want to change the world?
In what ways do you think Bitcoin might change the world?
How much of a bubble do you think it is?
I sometimes wonder if Bitcoin was invented not so much to become the global reserve digital cash currency, but to prove to others that the technology can work. It was more gateway rather than final destination – do you have a view here?
That's more than enough to be going on with.
With kind regards
Dominic
Have you read Satoshi's original emails?
about 70 million times.
Even more times than I've read the Lord of the Rings
I was asking a serious question.
Do you mean the ones on the cryptography mailing list or the ones to Wei Dai?
I've read them both.
Not the ones to Adam Back though
1 - I didn't take any steps to code up b-money. Part of it was because b-money wasn't a complete practical design yet, but I didn't continue to work on the design because I had actually grown somewhat disillusioned with cryptoanarchy by the time I finished writing up b-money, and I didn't foresee that a system like it, once implemented, could attract so much attention and use beyond a small group of hardcore cypherpunks.
2 - It's hard for me to tell, but I'd guess that it was probably a mixture of technical challenge and wanting to change the world.
3 and 4 - Don't have much to say on these. Others have probably thought much more about these questions over the past months and years and are more qualified than I am to answer.
5 - I haven't seen any indication of this. What makes you suspect it?
Thanks Wei. You efforts here is much appreciated and your place in heaven is assured.
In reply to your 5.
My suspicion is not based on any significant evidence. It's just a thought that emerged in my head as I've followed the story. It's a psychological thing, almost macho - people like to solve a problem that nobody else has been able to prove something to themselves (and others).
Also from his comment 'we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years' I infer that he didn't think it would last foreever .
Anyway THANK YOU WEI for taking the time to do this.
Dominic
Ask me anything. Until recently I was a machine learning and text mining graduate student. Now I work on data visualization in a corporate setting (but I can't talk a ton about that).
How do you feel about moving from research to industry? Did you leave before or after getting your degree, and do you ever wish you had left earlier/later?
I left before completing my degree, but I retain the option of returning. The lifestyle and culture of academia, the chance to do research, and the possibility of entering a research career are the advantages of academia over industry. At the time I left, none of those were as compelling to me as the career I've entered.
I'm glad I gave academia a shot, and I left not too long after I had figured out my priorities weren't well-satisfied by staying in grad school.
I am sorry if that's not very helpful. It was just a natural move for me at the time.
I'm a 30-year-old first-year medical student on a full tuition scholarship. I was a super-forecaster in the Good Judgment Project. I plan to donate a kidney in June. I'm a married polyamorous woman.
Before participating in the Good Judgment Project did you think you were a particularly good forecaster?
Do you believe you have an entrepreneurial edge because of your ability, if you were to pursue it?
Have you used your abilities to hack your life for the better?
I realize I could research this myself -- at least enough to ask a more informed version of this question -- but I've been procrastinating that since when I first read your comment, so:
Could you talk about your decision to donate the kidney and what your judgments of the tradeoffs were? (I assume, since you didn't mention otherwise, that this donation is not to a friend or family member.)
I'm a 31-year-old Colombian guy who writes SF in Spanish. I'm a lactovegetarian teetotaler who sympathizes with Theravada Buddhism. My current job is as chief editor at a small publishing house that produces medical literature. My estimate of the existence of one other LWer near my current location (the 8-million-inhabitant city of Bogotá) is 0.01% per every ten kilometers in the radius of search for the first 2500 kilometers of radius (after that distance you hit the U.S., which invalidates this formula). My mother was an angrily devout Catholic and my father was a hopelessly gullible Rosicrucian. Ask me anything not based on stereotypes about Colombians.
By my Google-aided calculations (interpreting "0.01% per every ten kilometers in the radius of search" as "0.0001 expected LWers per 314 km^2"), that implies that you think there's about a 14% chance that there's a LWer in Colombia besides yourself.
Can I conclude from this that you're the same person as the (most recent) Spanish translator of HPMoR?
I'm not.
However, I happen to be a Youtopia volunteer, currently working on my own Spanish translation of HPMoR:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9971807
I was aware of the translation you cite, but I can't remember having noticed that the translator was Colombian too. I guess that forces me to update my estimation.
Also, I should meet the guy.
Neat! You should get Eliezer to include it in the list.
(By the way, I should say that having multiple translations of the same text is very valuable data for language-learners such as myself -- so let me make an appeal to would-be translators out there not to be discouraged by the existence of another translation in your language, whether complete or not.)
(I concluded that he was because he had a Colombian Creative Commons license for his blog. EDIT: Also, I just noticed that he gives his specific location: Roldanillo, Valle del Cauca, Colombia.)
To me, that's a nice perspective of people's data-gathering methods. I knew he was Colombian when I saw the flag on his Fanfiction.net profile.
I've gotten accustomed to hearing cryonics being described here as the obvious thing to do at the end of your natural life, the underlying assumption apparently being that you'd be hopelessly dumb if you didn't jump at the chance of getting a tremendous potential benefit at a comparatively negligible cost.
So, I have a calibration question for male LWers who come from Jewish families: What is your opinion on foreskin restoration surgery?
That's just stretching skin out, right? It wouldn't increase innervation, so it doesn't seem that valuable if one likes sexual pleasure but isn't particularly attached to the idea of having a foreskin.
I could be wrong. If there's a surgery that can add erogenous tissue to one's body, why stop at the foreskin? This would be highly munchkinable.
Ask me anything.
My biography is here http://jonahsinick.com/about-me/.
What is the counter argument to EA critics, that if you take EA to its logical conclusion, your life will suck. If I donate 50% of my income I probably could donate 55% then 65%, eventually to be consistent you'd have to donate 100% because as an American I could probably dumpster dive for food and live in a box and still have a better life then someone out there.
What is the happy medium that is consistent and justified?
This has been written about by Julia Wise at Giving Gladly, and others.
Two relevant considerations are:
Giving What We Can has set donating 10% of one's income as a threshold for membership. There's a historical precedent of this level of giving being sustainable for many people, coming from tithing practices in religion.
As for higher percentages: roughly speaking, it seems that marginal returns diminish very rapidly beyond $100k/year, so that one can give everything beyond that without substantially sacrificing quality of life. There are reasons why more can help: for example, to save extra money on the contingency that one is unemployed, or to be able to take care of many children. But I think that the level of sacrifice involved would be acceptable for many people. If one is living in an area with low cost of living, or doesn't want children, one can often live on a lot less than $100k/year without sacrificing quality of life.
I'm an Australian male with strong views on Socialism. I have an interest in modern history and keeping up with international news.
Do you know any economic theory? For example, are you familiar with the concept of supply and demand?
Are you familiar with the concepts of externalities, coordination problems, imperfect information, irrationality, etc.?
Yes, I am. My issue was that A-Lurker appeared to be unaware of both supply-and-demand and the concepts you listed judging by the fact the ways he attempts to defend socialism.
What do you mean when you talk about socialism?
Are your strong views in favor of socialism or against it?
I am strongly for socialism. This comes from two main points of view; 1) I think the ethical thing to do is to work together and help others as opposed to 'every man for himself'. 2) I think that 'team work' achieves more and thus it's not just about what is moral but what actually works better. One way to think of it is that we can either all buy a fire hose and a ladder- or we could pool the money together to pay for a professional team with a truck to service the town.
Why do you think capitalism (free markets + private property) is "every man for himself"?
Do you think capitalism and cooperation are opposed? If so, why?
How do you define "socialism"? Examples would be helpful.
To me socialism is not an exact system but is a concept. In that way, it can be a bit vague but the general principle is that the resources of a society are best used with a coordinated effort to pool them together as opposed to spending in an un-coordinated and selfish way.
Where as some people think that socialism is a system to rival or replace capitalism, my idea of socialism works in tandem with capitalism. To begin with, a lot of industry is best left for private enterprise to deal with. There is nothing to gain from the government owning a twirly drinking straw company or being responsible for coming up with such ideas. Having said this though, these private enterprises provide for the socialist system by paying tax, as do the individual workers. Then there are the industries which are best put in control of the government. This is defined by the fundamental importance they have on society. Governance itself is one example. Other easy examples are; roads and infrastructure, police, and, fire departments. I think most people would agree that the things I have mentioned are best maintained with collective funding and government control. Where my opinion gets more controversial with some people is that I think socialism should cover health, education, power and public transportation.
Some people think that socialism is something alien and untested in the world- other than through the murderous regimes of Stalin, Mao, etc. This is not true at all. I'll point out this fact while also giving you the examples of the 'socialism' i'm talking about.
The US has a strong anti-socialist base but they have possibly the biggest socialist program in the world. I say possibly because i'm too lazy to check the fact- but it's fairly safe to assume that the worlds largest armed forces (US armed forces), which spends about as much as the next 10 biggest spenders in the world, is one of the biggest socialist program in the world. It's socialist because the money for it is raised by taxing the population. Rather than everyone having to be in a militia and own a gun or some other crazy system, money from the society is pooled together and used in a co-ordinated fashion.
Another example is the fire department. At some times and places in the world there once existed private fire brigades. When a fire happened, these private crews would arrive at the scene but if the home owner wasn't one of their paying customers- they let the house burn. While this private enterprise system could be replaced by some other type of private model, socialism fills the position very effectively instead. Again money from society is pooled together and spend in a co-ordinated way and provides a better service in both effectiveness and social morality.
So, "socialism" means to you government ownership and control, right?
No not really. Like I said I think it can play a role along side and in conjunction with capitalism/private ownership. Even if the government didn't own any companies or what not, socialism can still exist in the form of taxation and social spending. It's more about regulation and distribution of a societies wealth. Once the state starts owning and controlling everything, that's when I would start to call it 'communism' or something around those lines. I am not for this total control and ownership concept as I think capitalism does play a role in innovation and economic growth. To be communist would be to destroy all the benefits of capitalism.
I did not say "complete and total government ownership and control". As you yourself point out in contemporary societies the government owns and controls a lot. For example, the army, as you said.
Under your definition, is there anything government-controlled that you would not call "socialist"? And in reverse, do you think there is anything socialist that is not connected to the government?
Do you realize that it's possible to have one without the other?
What criterion are you using to make this distinction?
To have one without the other? You mean pubic funded fire brigades that are managed by a private company? Yeah I can see that. On the other hand though, I see a lot of problems with a privately run police force. For example if the chief of police was making a profit from fighting crime, why would he not expand his business by creating more crime to fight?
What criterion do I use to say the government shouldn't make twirly straws but should collect tax for (and possibly run) fire brigades? The nature of the service and how fundamental it is to society. Also a strong consideration should be put into the negative effects that personal interests can create. If the only drinking straw company decided it was going to make gold straws, poor people wouldn't get any- but that wouldn't be such a big deal. On the other hand if fire brigades were run for profit and have private interests- poor people's houses would burn to the ground with fire crews doing nothing but maybe toasting a marshmallow over the flame. Even worse, maybe when business is quiet, a fire station may light some fires.
This may sound a bit vague but like I said I think it's a concept and not an actual system. The concept I subscribe to is that the back bones of society should be funded and maintained by the government. In some cases, This maintenance can be subcontracted out to private companies rather than micro managing- but not always (not for police for example). Any further than these fundamental social services is most likely going too far and will have too much of a stifling effect on the economy.
Only if you pay him by criminal caught, as opposed to making him part of an insurance company that is responsible for reimbursing people victimized by crime.
Food is fundamental to society, should all food production be government controlled?
If the only drinking straw company decided it was going to make gold straws, another company would get into the straw making business and start making affordable straws.
Food is important and it is supported with tax payer money by some governments for that very reason. I think government action on it should be considered. Of course no changes should be made if the system isn't broken and and if they do it should be for the better or not at all. I'm not advocating socialism just for the sake of being socialist. When private is better- it's better.
About the straws you fully missed the point. What i'm saying is no matter how bad someone screwed up the straw industry it won't be a serious blow to society. By talking about supply and demand you are changing the subject
Actually I am under the impression that the main effects of agricultural subsidies are to make food cheaper for people in the First World who are already eating (more than) enough, while making competition for Third World farmers much harder.
Funny that you mention that. The US police works basically on this model and yet it is government-controlled...
Sure, what the hell. I'm a financial advisor by trade, so ask me questions in that field if you want expert-type answers, but being opinionated and argumentative is my hobby, so ask me anything.
How should I, a normal person, invest my earnings?
My rules, in rough order of priority:
1) Take advantage of any employer matching and any tax shelters. These are the only places in all of finance where you will ever find a sure source of free money.
2) Build a reserve fund of liquid and stable assets, sufficient for 3-6 months unavoidable expenses. Nothing exotic here - bank accounts, money market funds, or conservative mutual funds. This is for covering you if you lose your job, if your furnace breaks and needs replacing in January, or the like.
3) Invest a substantial proportion of your income, like 10-15%, unless you're truly destitute. If you're not, there are people who are living just fine on 85-90% of your current income, so live like them. You can count a proper pension against that number, but I mean this should be over and above government pension taxes. Most national pension schemes are primed for detonation not long after the Boomers retire, and for the same reason I expect significant reductions in growth rates over the long term. You're not going to be able to do what someone who retired in 1997 could do of just saving a big chunk after their kids graduated school and wind up with a giant nest egg from 20%+ growth every year, we're going to have to work for our retirement. It's much easier to get used to living on 90% of your income now than it is to have to live on 40% of it when you're too old to work. And this should go without saying, but you actually need to live within your means on the other 85-90% - don't go earning $50k, spending $50k, and saving $7k on top of that, or you'll wind up in Consumer Debt Hell.
4) Get disability insurance unless either your income is so low that it could be replaced by government benefits if you were unable to work, or you have good coverage from work(If you have mediocre coverage, top-up plans are fairly cheap). If you have dependants(including a partner), get term life insurance to replace your contributions to the household as well, plus a proper will and power of attorney. Other forms of insurance(critical illness, long-term care, whole life, child life, etc.) are luxuries, but those two are both very important.
5) Match your assets to your liabilities. If you're saving for a house next year, keep it in low-risk investments, and try to minimize up-front costs(or back-end costs) while worrying less about ongoing costs. If you're saving for retirement in 2057, invest riskier, and worry less about short-term fees but more about higher ongoing costs.
6) Try to diversify your portfolio as much as you reasonably can - index funds are a classic choice for doing so cheaply, but they're not perfect. Remember that "your portfolio" doesn't just include things where you get a quarterly report in the mail, it also includes things like your house and your career - don't be one of those Enron employees who lost both their job and their pension when the company tanked. Likewise, if you rent an apartment then a real estate investment may be much more suitable for you than it would be for a homeowner who already has the bulk of his net worth tied up in a real estate investment. Remember also that one stock index is not full diversification - the world is bigger than the S+P 500. Get some of your money overseas, and don't be afraid to put a bit into things like small-cap, emerging markets, commercial real estate, and commodities.
7) Know your risk tolerance, and invest accordingly. If you're the sort of person who will pull their money out when its value tanks, you shouldn't be in anything volatile - people like that lost their shirts in 2008-09, while the more placid investors made their money back pretty easily. If you can't handle a 30% drop, find an investment that won't lose 30%. Fortunately, this is pretty easy right now, because we have a very nice stress test of investment performance that's recent enough that it still shows up on performance charts. If you're a conservative investor, take a look at your investment's performance in 2008, and make sure you could handle seeing that on your next quarterly statement without panicking.
8) Don't be afraid to find an expert to help you. Some people treat finance as a hobby and do just fine, but if you're not one of those you can sometimes be stunned by how much money you've left on the table. As an example, a guy at my office spoke to a business owner the other day with two teenage kids. Told him to bring the kids on as employees for $10k/year, to get money out of the corporation virtually tax-free instead of taking it as personal salary and paying taxes at his(very high) rate. Saved him $9k per year that he didn't even know could be on the table with a sentence. I may be biased here, but I think I'm worth what I get paid, and most of my clients agree.
Obviously, these rules are not absolutes. For example, both employer matching and tax shelters often come with restrictions that may make them undesirable. But if you follow those rules, you'll be doing personal finance better than 90% of people.
Follow-up questions. If one uses a spreadsheet and basic math, one concludes that one should pay off debt before starting to save, because debt is usually at a higher interest rate than savings. However, one frequently hears that one should not in fact do this; rather, that one should always be saving. It's frustrating, because I can show you exactly how much money I'm burning in interest payments by following this advice. Can you justify or possibly refute this oft repeated wisdom?
There's a couple circumstances where having both loans and savings makes sense. One, emergency fund - if you have a $3000 problem with your car, you can't pay your mechanic with your lack of a mortgage, you need cash. Having to go get a loan at that point isn't really practical. If you have revolving credit(credit card/line of credit) then you can use that, but a traditional loan that goes away when it's paid off is no good.
The second case is leverage loans. When you borrow for business purposes, the interest can be used as a tax deduction(in most countries, consult local tax advice before trying to do this). Depending how you invest, you can get tax-advantaged returns in the form of dividends and/or capital gains, whereas the loan is a tax deduction at ordinary income tax rates. In Canada, capital gains are taxed at half the normal rates, so if you borrow at 4% and earn 6% of capital gains, you're getting a deduction of 4% of the loan but only paying tax on 3%, so you pocket a net tax deduction of 1% of the loan size, on top of earning a spread of 2%. All this without putting any of your own money in. That said, this is a higher-risk strategy, because if you lose money you still need to pay back the loan, so it's not for everyone.
The third reason is psychological. Some people believe that you should make a habit of savings. Depending on who you are personally, it may be a decent tactic.
I've worked in high frequency trading in Chicago as a trader and developer for 11.5 years. I am an expert on that stuff. AMA.
How much of your firms profits are from providing a market (giving liquidity) vs actually taking an outright position in the market?
Are there new strategies being developed constantly or is there just tweaks to an overall proprietary algorithm?
More than 100% of my profit's are from market making. Overall, I lose money on my positions. For the firm as a whole, position trading might be slightly profitable.
I have a basic strategy that works, and I run a couple variants on that strategy on a decent number of products. I am always trying to tweak the strategy to make it better, and add more products to trade. I also put some effort into developing new ideas. Most of the time, new ideas are a waste of time. There just aren't that many fundamentally different strategies that work, and that provide the kind of risk/return profile that works in my industry. I know it is a cliche that you learn more from failure than from success, but in developing trading strategies I think the opposite is true. You can spend forever trying things that don't work. Its much more valuable to understand and refine an idea that basically works.
Thanks for the response. This is exactly why I tell everyone who thinks they should dabble in trading to stop it. The regular person who thinks they can beat the stock market for alpha has huge odds stacked against them.
Real professionals that work at true proprietary trading firms:
Are not paying stupid amounts of money on retail commission.
Have direct access to exchanges via having a seat at the exchange, no middle broker.
Are using true HFT (not just automated trading ) with collocated servers at these exchanges.
Market making for tiny tiny spreads - it's how most trading outfits make their money, not on positional trades, (real data is hard to come by but anecdotal evidence is abundant on this)
Since you are the expert, is my assessment mostly accurate?
I think you are correct about what prop trading firms do, but I am not so pessimistic about the prognosis for retail investors. I don't think retail investors can compete with professional prop traders at what they do, but I think that they can do better than just sticking their money in index funds, at least on a risk adjusted basis.
No, it is not.
Prop trading -- understood as extracting money out of financial markets -- is very diverse. Some people care about milliseconds and build their own microwave links between New York (actually, New Jersey :-D) and Chicago. They make millions of trades per day and make a tiny fraction of a cent on each trade. Some people care about long-term value, trade a few times a year and hold their positions for years. Some people do arbitrage. Some people do distressed investing. Some people do convertibles, or M&A, or IPOs. Some people make macro bets. Some people do something else in the markets. All of them are "real professionals".
The type of prop firms you are describing are really just back office pools or trading arcades. Say I am a broker-dealer and I have a business that attracts chumps to deposit money with me, and I will allow them to trade through me, and all the traders can share expenses like office space and other services. The burn out rate is really high. Notice that this supposed "prop firm" is making most of its money on commissions from their own traders! and not actually realizing gains from their trading employees. Contrast this to a division in an investment bank that hires actual employees as programmers and quants, and their profits are determined by trading. I'm not saying all prop firms are just back office pools, but I know for a fact that a lot of them are. So maybe we just have different meanings for what is a prop trader and prop firm.
http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/2008/07/proprietary-trading-firms-arcades-and.html
Since this is an AMA, let's just ask jobe. Do you trade your own capital or 100% firm capital? Jobe can very well be working at a prop shop like I described and I'm not putting him down if he is. It's just a known fact that most prop shop in Chicago or New York are of the scam-ish type.
Contrast Bright trading, the most well known and probably the biggest "prop firm" in Chicago to Jane Street. The former is nothing more than a glorified back office under the banner of proprietary trading where traders put up their own money, the latter is my definition of REAL prop firm.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?t=276210
Again no offense to jobe if he works for the former type of prop firm.
I trade 100% firm capital, not my own. I've heard of bright and places like that but there are lots of real prop trading firms, that actually make their money from trading. Here are some I can think of off the top of my head:
etc.
Actually, no, the type of prop firms I am describing are typically small (in terms of personnel, not in terms of AUM) hedge funds which run some manager's own money and some outside money.
Facilities for day traders are a different thing entirely and I don't talk about them here.
I guess we are talking about two different things then, I have never heard of any one talk about the term prop firm in your sense. Doesn't make it wrong though.
Edit: If you are describing a small hedge fund that manages the managers money and outside money, then its just a hedge fund any way you cut it. Proprietary means only the firms capital is used, and for no clients.
And how does that matter for the original point under discussion -- whether someone outside of an investment bank or a big hedge fund family (e.g. Blackrock) can successfully extract money out of financial markets?
If someone actually has a working strategy, he typically doesn't just trade it, he starts a small hedge fund.
Because the original point under discussion was contrasting prop trading in the context of a real prop firm vs an outsider engaging in prop trading, and the advantages afforded to the former.
Anyway, I already know your position regarding whether an outsider can successfully extract money out of the financial markets and you know mine.
Curious, what do you do if you don't mind me asking? I'm asking because you do know a lot about this topic, even though we disagree on somethings.
An "average joe" in the US has the IQ a bit below 100 and does not have a decent chance at great many things in life.
Now, whether a high-IQ guy has a decent chance is a different question, and an interesting one, too.
Sorry I was in the middle of editing what I wanted to say and you responded too quickly.
So what you responded to may have changed.
I am K. Woomba. I'll answer any question so long as it contains an even number of "a"'s XOR is a question I decide to answer. Also, please no questions about why I skipped work today.
(Nice to see some less active old-timers active in this thread again.)
Why are you using an arbitrary rule?
Isn't everyone?
Do you consider zero to be even?
(If yes, I hope you don't decide to respond to this question.)
I decided against responding to such a silly trap, so because zero is even and the truth condition thus fulfilled, I decided to answer the question, so because I decided to respond to the question and zero is even, I decided against responding to such a silly trap, so -s--s-..... -...
[You'll be our first line of defense against uFAI, smithereening it with a simple question.]
You can ask me something. I don't promise to answer. If you've never heard of me and want to ask me something anyway, here's some hooks:
I have many opinions on how humans interact with computers and how computers interact with computers; i.e. user interface design, programming language design, networking, and security.
I consider myself to have an akrasia problem but am reasonably successful* in life despite it, for causes which appear to me to be luck or other people's low standards.
Web site, blog, GitHub
* To be more precise, I have money (but many unfinished goals which I don't see how to throw money at). Though putting it in those words suggests some ideas…
How does your IRC Teddybot software work to help anyone solve problems - is this like the old Eliza program where questions are paraphrased back to the user?
I only implemented it to the specification; I suggest you take up that question with the designer. If I had to answer myself (it's been a few years since that project), I would say that it is like the "cardboard programmer" or "rubber duck": its value is in giving you something to address your one-sided conversation to. It does just a little bit more than the rubber duck.
I can say that unlike Eliza it doesn't use any of the content of incoming messages at all, except to distinguish when it is addressed from when it is not, and whether there is a question mark.
(Thanks for reminding me that I never published the (trivial) source code; I should fix that.)
Feel free to ask me (almost) anything. I'm not very interesting, but here are some possible conversation starters.
What are warning signs someone should look out for (in themselves) in avoiding addiction?
My take on drug abuse is that it isn't primarily the drugs themselves that are the problem but the user. That is to say the drugs have powerful and harmful effects, but the buck ultimately stops with the user who chooses to imbibe them. As physically addictive as some drugs can be, not everyone will; A) Be addicted if they try it once, and, B) Actually want to use the drug to begin with. It's the people who are depressed, self-harming, etc, who have drug problems. I think my point can be easily confused so i'll give an analogy: a magnetic sea mine is terribly destructive and can blow me to pieces (swap for drugs), but being a human of flesh and blood (swap for healthy life and psychology), there will be no magnetic attraction and we won't be drawn towards each other. On the other hand if I was a steel ship (depressed, etc), the magnet will be drawn to me and devastation will be the result. To recap again in one sentence; the mainstream point of view seems to be that drugs are like a virus which can effect anyone and are the problem in themselves where as I see the users as the 'problem' and the drugs as one (of many) destructive outcomes of this. My question is basically; do you agree with the above?
Why are you pessimistic about the future?
What are your practical issues about the Seasteading Institute? My major issue is that even if everything else works, governments are unlikely to tolerate real challenges to their authority.
What political theories, if any, do you find plausible?
I worry about a regression to the historical mean (Malthusian conditions, many people starving at the margins) and existential risk. I think extinction or return to Malthusian conditions (including Robin Hanson's hardscrabble emulation future) are the default result and I'm pessimistic about the potential of groups like MIRI.
As I see it, the main problem with SI is their over-commitment to small-size seastead designs because of their commitment to the principle of "dynamic geography." The cost of small-seastead designs (in complexity, coordination problems, additional infrastructure) will be huge.
I don't think dynamic geography is what makes seasteading valuable as a concept. The ability to create new country projects by itself is the most important aspect. I think large seastead designs (or even land-building) would be more cost-effective and a better overall direction.
I've always thought the risk from existing governments isn't that big. I don't think governments will consider seasteading to be a challenge until/unless governments are losing significant revenues from people defecting to seasteads. By default, governments don't seem to care very much about things that take place outside of their borders. Governments aren't very agent-y about considering things that are good for the long term interests of the government.
Seasteads would likely cost existing governments mainly by people attracting revenue-producing citizens away from them and into seasteads, and it will take a long time before that becomes a noticeable problem. Most people who move to seasteads will still retain the citizenship of their home country (at least in the beginning), and for the US that means you must keep paying some taxes. Other than the US, there aren't a lot of countries that have the ability to shut down a sea colony in blue water. By the time the loss of revenue becomes institutionally noticeable, the seasteads are likely to be too big to easily shut down (i.e. it would require a long term deployment and would involve a lot of news footage of crying families being forced onto transport ships).
I like the overall meta-political ethos of seasteading. I think any good political philosophy should start with accepting that there are different kinds of people and they prefer different types of governments/social arrangements.You could call this "meta-libertarianism" or "political pluralism."
Maybe you can give some common misconceptions about how people recover from / don't recover from their addictions? That's the sort of topic you tend to hear a lot of noise about which makes it tough to tell the good information from the bad.
Do you have any thoughts on wireheading?
Have you tried any 19th/20th century reactionary authors? Everyone should read Nietzsche anyway, and his work is really interesting if a little dense. His conception of Master/slave morality and nihilism is a much more coherent explanation for how history has turned out than the Cathedral, not to mention that the superman (I always translate it as posthuman in my head) as beyond good and evil is interesting from a transhumanist perspective.
I'm not sure if these are misconceptions, but here are some general thoughts on recovery:
Wireheading is somewhat fuzzy as a term.... The extreme form (being converted into "Orgasmium") seems like it would be unappealing to practically everyone who isn't suicidally depressed (and even for them it would presumably not be the best option in a transhuman utopia in which wireheading is possible.)
I think a modest version of wireheading (changing a person's brain to raise their happiness set point) will be necessary if we want to bring everyone up to an acceptable level happiness.
I've read a lot of excerpts and quotes, but not many full books. I read a large part of one of Carlyle's books and one late 19th Century travelogue of the United States which Moldbug approvingly linked to. (I've read a fair amount of Nietzsche's work, but I think calling him a reactionary is a bit like calling the Marquis de Sade a "libertarian.")
The one concept from Nietzsche I see everywhere around me in the world is ressentiment. I think much of the master-slave morality stuff was too specific and now feels dated 130 years later, but ressentiment is the important core that's still true and going to stay with us for a while; it's like a powerful drug that won't let humanity go. Ideological convictions and interactions, myths and movements, all tied up with ressentiment or even entirely based on it. And you're right, I would have everyone read Nietzsche - not for practical advice or predictions, but to be able, hopefully, to understand and detect this illness in others and especially oneself.
It's funny to me that you would say that, because the way I read it was mainly that slave morality is built on resentment whereas master morality was built on self-improvement. The impulse to flee suffering or to inflict it (even on oneself) is the the difference between the lamb and the eagle, and thus the common and the aristocratic virtues. I wouldn't have thought to separate the two ideas.
But again, one of the reasons why he ought to be read more; two people reading it come away with five different opinions on it.
Some LW-folks have in the past asked me questions about my stroke and recovery when it came up, and seemed interested in my answers, so it might be useful to offer to answer such questions here. Have at it! (You can ask me about other things if you want, too.)
I understand ancient Greek philosophy really well. In case that has come up. I'm a PhD student in philosophy, and I'd be happy to talk about that as well.
What do you think of Epicurus? What do you think of Epicurean ethics?
Do you have a sense of how the proportion of philosophy varied with place and time, both the proportion written and the proportion surviving? My impression is that there was a lot more philosophy in Athens than in Alexandria.
I'm not sure I entirely understand the question. I'll try to give a history in three stages
1) Roughly, the earliest stages of philosophy were mathematics, and attempts at reductive, systematic accounts of the natural world. This was going on pretty broadly, and only by virtue of some surviving doxographers do we have the impression that Greece was at the forefront of this practice (I'm thinking of the pre-Socratic greek philosophers, like Thales and Anaxagoras and Pythagoras). It was everywhere, and the Greeks weren't particularly good at it. This got started with the Babylonians (very little survives), and when the Assyrian empire conquered Babylon (only to be culturally subjugated to it), they spread this practice throughout the Mediterranean and near-east. Genesis 1 is a good example of a text along these lines.
2) After the collapse of the Assyrians, locals on the frontiers of the former empire (like Greece and Israel) reasserted some intellectual control, often in the form of skeptical criticisms or radically new methodologies (like Parmenides very important arguments against the possibility of change, or the Pythagorean claim that everything is number). Socrates engaged in a version of this by eschewing questions of the cosmos and focusing on ethics and politics as independent topics. Then came Plato, and Aristotle, who between them got the western intellectual tradition going. I won't go into how, for brevity's sake.
3) After Plato and Aristotle, a flurry of philosophical activity overwhelmed the Mediterranean (including and especially in Alexandria), largely because of the conquests of Alexander and the active spread of Greek culture (a rehash of the thing with the Assyrians). This period is a lot like ours now: widespread interest in science, mathematics, ethics, political theory, etc. Many, many people were devoted to these things, and they produced more work in a given year during this period than every that had come before combined. But as a result of the sheer volume of this work, and as a result of the fact that it was built on the shoulders of Plato and Aristotle, very little of it really stands out. As a result, a lot was lost.
Well, with respect to mathematics at least one difference between the Greeks and everybody else, is that the Greeks provided proofs of the non-obvious results.
Yes, though that really got started with Euclid, who post-dates Aristotle. It's with Plato and Aristotle that the Greeks really set them-selves apart. I don't think we'd be reading any of the rest of it if it weren't for them.
Euclid is merely the first whose work has survived to the modern day. If tradition is to be believed, Thales and Pythagoras provided proofs of non-intuitive results from intuitive one. Furthermore, Hippocrates of Chios wrote a systematic treatment starting with axioms. All three predated Plato.
That's a good point about Hippocrates, I'd forgotten about him. Do you have a source handy on Thales and Pythagoras? I don't doubt it, it's just a gap I should fill. So far as I remember, a proof that the square root of two is irrational came out of the Pythagorean school, but that's all I can think of. I hadn't heard anything like that about Thales.
I linked to the relevant Wikipedia articles in my comment.
Ah, but note the 'history' section of the Thales article. It rather supports my picture, if it supports anything at all.
Why? If you mean that Thales learned the result from the Babylonians, the point is that he appears to have been the first to bother proving it.
Before I expand on my question, let me ask what I really should have asked before: is there a place I can look up what survives, with a rough classification; or better, what is believed to have existed?
You seem to include all non-fiction in philosophy. Fine by me, but I just want to make it explicit.
What I meant by proportion was the balance between fiction and non-fiction. I don't think I've heard of any Hellenistic fiction. Was it rarer than classical fiction? Was it less often preserved? Again because it was derivative? But maybe we should distinguish science from philosophy. My understanding is that Hellenistic science was an awful lot better than classical science. Hipparchus was not lost because he was derivative of Aristotle, but, apparently, because Ptolemy was judged to supersede him, or at least be an adequate summary.
Ancient Greek novels
Do you feel overworked and desparate as a PhD student or is it basically fun? Have you published any articles yet or are you planning to? What are your career plans?
I feel overworked, desperate, and very happy.
The desperation: This is a very hard field to work in, psychologically, because there's no reliable process for producing valuable work (this might be true generally, but I get the sense that in the sciences it's easier to get moving in a worthwhile direction). It's not rare that I doubt that anything I'm writing is valuable work. Since I'm at the (early) dissertation stage, these kinds of big picture worries play an important daily role.
The overwork: This is exacerbated by the fact that I have a family. I have much more to do than I can do, and I often have to cut something important. I grade papers on a 3 min per page clock, and that almost feels unethical. I just recently got a new dissertation advisor who wants to see work every two weeks.
The happy: I have a family! It makes this whole thing much, much easier. Most of my problem with being a grad student in the before time was terrible loneliness. Some people do well under those conditions, but I didn't. Also, I do philosophy, which is like happiness distilled. When everyone is uploaded, and science is complete, and a billion years or so have gotten all the problems and needs and video games and recreational space travel out of our system, we'll all settle into that activity that makes life most worth living: talking about the most serious things in the most serious way with our friends. That's philosophy, and I'm very happy to be able to do it even if I don't get a job out of it.
I haven't published anything, but someone recently footnoted me in an important journal. Small victories. I have a paper I'd like to publish, but it's a back-burner project. As to my career, I will take literally anything they can give me, so long as I can be around my family (my wife is a philosopher too, so we need to both get jobs somewhere close). Odds are long on this, so my work has to be good.
I think you're right that philosophy is particularly difficult in this respect. In many fields you can always go out, gather some data and use relatively standard methodologies to analyze your data and produce publishable work from it. This is certainly true in linguistics (go out and record some conversations or whatever) and philology (there are always more texts to edit, more stemmas to draw etc.). I get the impression that this is also more or less possible in sociology, psychology, biology and many other fields. But for pure philosophy, you can't do much in the way of gathering novel data.
Interestingly, my field, mathematics, is similar to philosophy, probably for the same reason.
I'm a computer science researcher, working in systems and software engineering research. I'm particularly qualified to talk about the experience of academic computer science, but AMA.
The way I understand it, academic CS reached a state of affairs where peer-reviewed journal publications (almost) don't matter, and conferences are the primary vehicles of communicating research and acquiring status. Do you have an opinion on this state of affairs? Is it harmful? beneficial? Why did CS converge on it, and not say math/physics?
To an outsider like me, it just seems so weird.
Yes, in general we prefer conferences to journals. It's a little more complicated than "journals don't matter." In each subfield of CS (systems, AI, graphics, etc), there are several conferences and several journals. Generally, the best conferences and even the second-tier conferences, are more prestigious than even the top-tier journals. The best journals are better than low-tier conferences. And peer-reviewed glossy magazines, like Communications of the ACM or IEEE Computer, are high-visibility and well respected.
Bear in mind that the conference and journal models aren't so different in their final output. In each area of CS that I'm familiar with, the papers that appear in "Proceedings of the ACM Symposium on Quintessence" or whatever the conference is called are written in the same style and have comparable length etc to the papers at the ACM Transactions on Quintessence [journal]. So the real difference is in the reviewing process, not in the writing style.
Neither the journal or conference model is great. The problem with journals is that they're incredibly slow -- for one of my articles, it took a year and a half from submission to publication. They're also annoyingly bureaucratic -- they have fussy typesetting and layout rules that generally don't improve the quality of the final work.
The impression people have is that it's rare for a paper to be rejected outright -- mostly even a relatively weak paper gets "here are the major flaws, fix and resubmit." And then it becomes siege warfare where the author fixes a few flaws and sends it back for re-review and at some point either the author gets fed up and quit, or the reviewers get fed up and say "okay fine, publish it."
The problem with conferences is that they have to make an up-or-down decision on each submitted paper. The timeline means there's no way for them to say "this paper has serious but correctable flaws and we will publish it if you fix it." You can always resubmit to a different conference, but it sometimes happens that conference A says "too much X", and and conference B says "not enough X" -- there's no continuity in reviewers. (In contrast, journal reviewers stay with the paper from submission through the "revise and resubmit" cycle.) The advantage of conferences is that the author gets an answer quickly and the paper, if published, gets attention quickly.
There's been some motion towards hybrid publication systems. There's a highly respected conference on Very Large Databases (VLDB). For the last few years, the model has been that you submit your paper to the VLDB Journal. The journal has a fixed reviewing cycle of a few months, fixing the "slow reviews" process. Authors of published papers get to give a talk at the VLDB conference, fixing the visibility problem. OOPSLA, a prominent programming language conference, has switched to two-round reviewing, which helps fix the "up or down and no continuity" problem.
As to how the problem got going -- Some part is that this is path dependent and the problem feeds on itself. Once journals become low status, people stop reading them. In science, visibility is the coin of the realm, and a conference talk at the leading venue is therefore much better than a journal article nobody reads. And once journals are low-status, the leading people don't want to review for them, and so you get lower-quality reviews. Conversely, once a conference becomes highly selective and prestigious, people send papers there because they want the stamp of approval of "the best people send their papers to ACM-Quintessence and only the top 20% get in."
I don't have a great sense of why CS has this model and no other field does. I have one guess: Most papers are rejected for being boring / incremental, not for being wrong or having weak evidence for an interesting claim. Mostly computers are easy to experiment on. The machines are pretty deterministic, it's easy to share code and data, and most things we care about aren't very expensive.
The conference model is pretty good for deciding if something is interesting. Whereas a journal has an editor and a couple reviewers, the conference model is to assemble a program committee of 15-30 people, and they discuss and vote on each paper. So that gets you a bigger sample of expert opinion on whether something is interesting and valuable.
My impression is that in physics, experiments are easier to get wrong and more important to replicate, and therefore the reviewers are there to check the details, not just give a high-level analysis of whether the paper solves an interesting and important problem with a solution with nontrivial elements that can be reused elsewhere.
I don't love the CS publication model, but my sense is that nobody likes the publication process. Pretty much all the jokes and complaints about peer review in physics or biology feel relevant to me. So I think it's just a sign of a healthy scientific field that having a highly-respected publication means having it scrutinized by skeptical experts who don't pull their punches.
I didn't think I had anything particularly interesting to offer, but then it occurred to me that I have a relatively rare medical disorder: my body doesn't produce any testosterone naturally, so I have to have it administered by injection. As a result I went through puberty over the age range of ~16-19 years old. If you're curious feel free to AMA.
(also, bonus topic that just came to mind: every year I write/direct a Christmas play featuring all of my cousins, which is performed for the rest of the family on Christmas Eve. It's been going on for over 20 years and now has its own mythology, complete with anti-Santa. It gets more elaborate every year and now features filmed scenes, with multi-day shoots. This year the villain won, Christmas was cancelled for seven years and Santa became a bartender (I have a weird family). It's...kind of awesome? If you're looking for a fun holiday tradition to start AMA)
Interesting, I had a very similar puberty, but was never diagnosed with a disorder. What were the symptoms that led to a diagnosis?
Cool.
Well, for starters, what are your thoughts on the experience? Presumably you were better-equipped to analyse the change than most.
What's your favorite amount of testosterone? Why? Would the optimum shift according to purpose?
Well, I've been on the same dose for the past 8 years (set by my original endocrinologist and carried forward by all doctors since, who've basically shrugged and said "ehh, worked so far"). Last time I had my testosterone levels checked they were on the high end of normal, which suits me fine. I have a fairly high sex drive, which you might expect, but very low aggression, which you might not - although I've always been a very passive and non-aggressive person. So I guess to answer your question, I haven't really explored different amounts. I don't particularly plan to in the future, if for no other reason than I've been on my current dose long enough to self-identify with the range of behaviours it produces.
Other than wanting more sex, did you notice your mind changing?
I also wonder if late puberty extends the pre-adult skill learning window (adults supposedly can't learn as much or as well).
Why not.
I attended CFAR's may 2013 workshop. I was the main organizer of the London LW group during approximately Nov 2012-April 2013, and am still an occasional organizer of it. I have an undergraduate MMath. My day job is software, I'm the only fulltime programmer on a team at Universal Pictures which is attempting to model the box office. AMAA.
I wrote a book about a new philosophy of empirical science based on large scale lossless data compression. I use the word "comperical" to express the idea of using the compression principle to guide an empirical inquiry. Though I developed the philosophy while thinking about computer vision (in particular the chronic, disastrous problems of evaluation in that field), I realized that it could also be applied to text. The resulting research program, which I call comperical linguistics, is something of a hybrid of linguistics and natural language processing, but (I believe) on much firmer methodological ground than either. I am now carrying out research in this area, AMA.
How do you expect this work to influence the fields of computer vision, NLP, etc. -- would it inspire new techniques?
First, I want people in computer vision and NLP to actually look at the data sets their algorithms apply to. Ask a physicist to tell you some facts about physical reality, and they will rattle off a lengthy list of concepts, like conservation of energy, isotropy of spacetime, Ohm's law, etc etc. As a vision scientist to tell you some things about visual reality, and my guess is they won't have much to say. Sure, a vision scientist can talk a lot about algorithms, machine learning techniques, feature sets, and other computational tools, but they can't tell you much about what's actually in the images. The same problem is true with NLP people to a lesser degree; they can talk about parsing algorithms and optimization procedures for finding MaxEnt parameters, but they can't tell you much about the actual structure of text.
So, yes, I expect the approach to produce new techniques, but not because it supplies some kind of new mathematical framework. It suggests a new set of questions.
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I'm a programmer at Google in Boston doing earning to give, I blog about all sorts of things, and I play mandolin in a dance band. Ask me anything.
What are you working on at google?
How much do you earn?
How much do you give, and to where?
ngx_pagespeed and mod_pagespeed. They are open source modules for nginx and apache that rewrite web pages on the fly to make them load faster.
$195k/year, all things considered. (That's my total compensation over the last 19 months, annualized. Full details: http://www.jefftk.com/money)
Last year Julia and I gave a total of $98,950 to GiveWell's top charities and the Centre for Effective Altruism. (Full details: http://www.jefftk.com/donations)
Did you ever get down to trying fumaric acid? How does it compare to citric and malic acids?
I've added an update to that post: http://www.jefftk.com/p/citric-acid
I once had a one-pound bag of Sour Skittles, and after eating all of them, consumed the entirety of the white powder left over in the bag at once. Simply thinking about that experience is sufficient to produce a huge burst of saliva.
That powder is mostly citric acid mixed with sugar. Mmm.
Thanks! Will not order then.
If you're ever in Boston I'm happy to give you some to play with.
Uncertain how soon I will be able take you up on this, but thanks!
THANK YOU WHY DID I NEVER THINK OF DOING THAT THIS IS GOING TO MAKE ALL JAM EDIBLE FOREVER
Adding citric acid to overly sweet jam is indeed wonderful.
I like the idea.
Here we go, things that might be interesting to people to ask about:
born in Kharkov, Ukraine, 1975, Jewish mother, Russian father
went to a great physics/math school there (for one year before moving to US), was rather average for that school but loved it. Scored 9th in the city's math contest for my age group largely due to getting lucky with geometry problems - I used to have a knack for them
moved to US
ended up in a religious high school in Seattle because I was used to having lots of Jewish friends from the math school
Became an orthodox Jew in high school
Went to a rabbinical seminary in New York
After 19 years, accumulation of doubts regarding some theological issues, Haitian disaster and a lot of help from LW quit religion
Mostly worked as a programmer for startups with the exception of Bloomberg, which was a big company; going back to startups (1st day at Palantir tomorrow)
self-taught enough machine learning/NLP to be useful as a specialist in this area
Married with 3 boys, the older one is a high-functioning autistic
Am pretty sure AI issues are important to worry about. MIRI and CFAR supporter
Speaking as a nonexpert, I'm curious what similarities, parallels, and overlap you see between these two fields.
Modern NLP (Natural Language Processing) uses statistical methods quite a bit - http://nlp.stanford.edu/fsnlp/
How did your family handle your deconversion? Do you continue with the religious Jewish style of everyday life?
Do your kids speak Russian at all/fluently? If not, are you at all unhappy about that? What about Hebrew?
If you're comfortable discussing the HFA kid: at what age was he diagnosed? What kind of therapy did you consider/reject/apply? What are the most visible differences from neurotypical norm now?
Hi Anatoly,
Initially it was a shock to my wife, but I took things very slowly as far as dropping practices. This helped a lot and basically I do whatever I want now (3.5 years later). Also transferred my kids to a good public school out of yeshiva. My wife remains nominally religious, it might take another 10 years :)
My kids don's speak Russian - my wife is American-born. I prefer English myself, so I'm not "unhappy" about them not speaking Russian in particular although I'd prefer them to be bilingual in general. They read a bit of Hebrew.
I'm happy to discuss my HFA kid via PM.
Is your wife still teaching your kids religion? How do you work out conflicts with your wife over religious issues (I assume she insists on a kosher kitchen, wants the kids to learn Jewish values etc)
So glad to hear you got your kids out of yeshiva. Way to go!
Did you meet your wife via shidduch or more traditionally? If you ever did shidduch: I'm curious if in the orthodox circles in the US a Baal Teshuva faces a tougher challenge in shidduch than someone who grew up in a frum family. This is very much the case in Israel. Here I've heard tales of severe discrimination and essentially second-class status.
What's the attitude in orthodox circles towards Conservative/Reform Jews? (not the official one, but the "on the street" sort of thing, if it exists...). Is there any dialogue between the branches at all? (As you probably know, Conservative/Reform barely exist in Israel).
Met my wife through a Shidduch, though the Shadchan was my friend and both of us were BTs, so it wasn't quite Fiddler on the Roof. The BT thing made my transition out easier, now my in-laws love me even more :).
I attended a modern and strangely rationalist Yeshiva - they really attempted to reconcile Torah with modern science ala Maimonides. I just concluded you can't pull that off in the end. The attitude to conservatives there was "well, they're wrong, but let's not make this personal", mostly treating them as "tinock shenishbh". The guy who started it was mostly a nice guy, and he used most of the allowed vitriol to attack the stupidity and superstition of the right. I can't speak for other yeshivot or sects from personal experience, but I imagine this was somewhat unusual.
Funny - my biological father's last name was Vorobyev. I guess that makes us cousins :-p
My primary interest is determining what the "best" thing to do is, especially via creating a self-improving institution (e.g., an AGI) that can do just that. My philosophical interests stem from that pragmatic desire. I think there are god-like things that interact with humans and I hope that's a good thing but I really don't know. I think LessWrong has been in Eternal September mode for awhile now so I mostly avoid it. Ask me anything, I might answer.
I'm curious about your experience with memantine- I vaguely remember you tweeting about it. What was it helping you with?
If you disagree in spirit with much of the sequences, what would you recommend for new rationalists to start with instead?
Re memantine, it helped with overactive inhibition some, but not all that much, and it made my short term memory worse and spaced me out. Not at all like the alcohol-in-a-pill I was going for, but of course benzos are better for that anyway.
New rationalists... reminds me of New Atheism these days, for a rationalist to be new. They've missed out on x-rationalism's golden days, and the current currents are more hoi polloi and less interesting for, how should I put it, those who are "intelligent" in the 19th-century French sense. I don't really identify as a rationalist, but maybe I can be identified as one. I think perhaps it would mean reading a lot in general, e.g. in history and philosophy, and reading some core LW texts like GEB, while holding back on forming any opinions, and instead just keeping a careful account of who says what and why you or others think they said what they said. I haven't been to university but I would guess they encourage a similar attitude, at least in philosophy undergrad? I hope. Anyway I think just reading a bunch of stuff is undervalued; the most impressive rationalists according to the LW community are generally those who have read a bunch of stuff, they just have a lot of information at hand to draw from. Old books too: Wealth of Nations, Origin of Species; the origins of the modern worldview. Intelligence matters a lot, but reading a lot is equally essential.
Studying Eliezer's Technical Explanation of Technical Explanation in depth is good for Yudkowskology which is important hermeneutical knowledge if you plan on reading through all the Sequences without being overwhelmed (whether attractively or repulsively) by their particular Yudkowskyan perspective. I do think Eliezer's worth reading, by the way, it's just not the core of rationality, it's not a reliable source of epistemic norms, and it has some questionable narratives driving it that some people miss and thereby accept semi-unquestioningly. The subtext shapes the text more than is easily seen. (Of course, this also applies to those who dismiss it by assuming less credible subtext than is actually there.)
A while back, you mentioned that people regularly confuse universal priors with coding theory. But minimum message length is considered a restatement of occam's razor, just like solomonoff induction; and MML is pretty coding theory-ish. Which parts of coding theory are dangerous to confuse with the universal prior, and what's the danger?
The difference I was getting at is that when constructing a code you're taking experiences you've already had and then assigning them weight, whereas the universal prior, being a prior, assigns weight to strings without any reference to your experiences. So when people say "the universal prior says that Maxwell's equations are simple and Zeus is complex", what they actually mean is that in their experience mathematical descriptions of natural phenomena have proved more fruitful than descriptions that involve agents; the universal prior has nothing to do with this, and invoking it is dangerous as it encourages double-counting of evidence: "this explanation is more probable because it is simpler, and I know it's simpler because it's more probable". When in fact the relationship between simplicity and probability is tautologous, not mutually reinforcing.
This error really bothers me, because aside from its incorrectness it's using technical mathematics in a surface way as a blunt weapon verbose argument that makes people unfamiliar with the math feel like they're not getting something that they shouldn't in fact get nor need to understand.
(I've swept the problem of "which prefix do I use?" under the rug because there are no AIT tools to deal with that and so if you want to talk about the problem of prefixes, you should do so separately from invoking AIT for some everyday hermeneutic problem. Generally if you're invoking AIT for some object-level hermeneutic problem you're Doing It Wrong, as has been explained most clearly by cousin_it.)
Attempting to work the dependence of my epistemology on my experience into my epistemology itself creates a cycle in the definitions of types, and wrecks the whole thing. I suspect that reformalizing as a fixpoint thing would fix the problem, but I suspect even more strongly that the point I'm already at would be a unique fixpoint and that I'd be wrecking its elegance for the sake of generalizing to hypothetical agents that I'm not and may never encounter. (Or that all such fixpoints can be encoded as prefixes, which I too feel like sweeping under the rug.)
...So, where in this schema does Minimum Message Length fit? Under AIT, or coding theory? Seems like it'd be coding theory, since it relies on your current coding to describe the encoding for the data you're compressing. But everyone seems to refer to MML as the computable version of Kolmogorov Complexity; and it really does seem fairly equivalent.
It seems to me that KC/SI/AIT explicitly presents the choice of UTM as an unsolved problem, while coding theory and MML implicitly assume that you use your current coding; and that that is the part that gets people into trouble when comparing Zeus and Maxwell. Is that it?