satt comments on Stupid Questions Thread - January 2014 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: satt 15 January 2014 12:59:15AM 2 points [-]

I feel I should let this go, and yet...

"Wavepackets of light" don't exist either.

But we can make them! On demand, even.

There's just the electromagnetic field, its intensity changes with time, and the change propagates in space.

By this argument, ocean waves don't exist either. There's only the sea, its height changes with time, and the change propagates in space.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 15 January 2014 03:21:00PM 2 points [-]

By this argument, ocean waves don't exist either. There's only the sea, its height changes with time, and the change propagates in space.

You say that as a reductio ad absurdum, but it is good for some purposes. Anatoly didn't claim that one should deny photons for all purposes, but only for the purpose of unasking the original question.

Comment author: satt 16 January 2014 11:07:02PM 0 points [-]

Anatoly didn't claim that one should deny photons for all purposes, but only for the purpose of unasking the original question.

In this case, unasking the original question is basically an evasion, though, isn't it?

Denying photons may enable you to unask hen's literal question, or the unnamed Reddit poster's literal question, but it doesn't address the underlying physical question they're driving at: "if observer P travels a distance x at constant speed v in observer Q's rest frame, does the elapsed time in P's rest frame during that journey vanish in the limit where v tends to c?"

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 16 January 2014 11:31:20PM 0 points [-]

I reject the claim that your rephrasing is the "real" question being asked. By rephrasing the question, you are rejecting it just as much as Anatoly. I think it is more accurate to say that you evade the question, while he is up front about rejecting it.

In fact, I think your answer is better and probably it is generally better to rephrase problematic questions to answerable questions before explaining that they are problematic, but the latter is part of a complete answer and I think Anatoly is correct in how he addresses it.

Comment author: satt 17 January 2014 12:23:16AM -1 points [-]

I reject the claim that your rephrasing is the "real" question being asked.

That multiple different people automatically treated hen's question like it were my rephrasing backs me up on this one, I reckon.

By rephrasing the question, you are rejecting it just as much as Anatoly. I think it is more accurate to say that you evade the question, while he is up front about rejecting it.

Rephrasing a question can be the first step to confronting it head-on rather than rejecting it. If a tourist, looking for the nearest train station, wandered up to me and asked, "where station is the?", and I rearranged their question to the parseable "where is the station?" and answered that, I wouldn't say I rejected or evaded their query.