MugaSofer comments on Dangers of steelmanning / principle of charity - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChrisHallquist 15 January 2014 03:13:10AM 5 points [-]

Excellent points. I've never been a huge fan of steelmanning. A couple more:

  1. People talk as if steelmanning is inherently a virtue, but in practice they're selective about what they steelman. You won't see many steelmannings of Young Earth Creationism around these parts--or even plain vanilla theism. If people are going to steelman, it would be nice for them to be more up-front about why they chose to steelman this particular argument (or when they're telling someone else "hey why aren't you steelmanning the person you're attacking," be upfront about what that particular argument deserves steelmanning.

  2. If you choose which arguments to steelman more or less at random, or for bad reasons, it seems like it's a violation of privileging the hypothesis.

Comment author: MugaSofer 17 January 2014 01:36:54AM -1 points [-]

Yes, that would be tribal affiliations showing. I always assumed the cure for this was more steelmanning...

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 17 January 2014 03:29:21AM 0 points [-]

Which part? Is lack of interest in steel manning YEC just a sign of tribal affiliations?

Comment author: MugaSofer 17 January 2014 03:34:52AM 0 points [-]

Both points - the lack of consistency, and privileging the hypothesis.

(In fairness, it's more than "tribal affliliations". There are probably all sorts of biases creating this particular danger in being half a rationalist.)