Vulture comments on Dark Arts of Rationality - Less Wrong

136 Post author: So8res 19 January 2014 02:47AM

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Comment author: Vulture 16 January 2014 02:54:24AM *  4 points [-]

Overall, an excellent post. It brought up some very clever ideas that I had never thought of or previously encountered.

I do, however, think that your colloquial use of the phrase "terminal value" is likely to confuse and/or irritate a lot of the serious analytic-philosophy crowd here; it might be wise to use some other word or other phrase for your meaning, which seems to be closer to "How an idealized[1] utility-maximizing agent would represent its (literal) Terminal Values internally". Perhaps a "Goal-in-itself"? A "motivationally core goal"?


  1. Not perfectly idealized, as your post points out
Comment author: So8res 16 January 2014 03:43:16AM 5 points [-]

Thanks!

Early on, before "Mind the terminology, here", the ambiguity is intentional. That your terminal goals are not sacred is true both for "utility function end-values" and "actions that are ends unto themselves".

Later on in the post, I am explicit about my usage and consistent with the LessWrong Wiki entry on Terminal Values (which is also dichotomous). Still, I understand that some people are likely to get annoyed: this is difficult to avoid when there is a phrase that means too many things.

For now, I think that the usage is explicit enough in the post, but I do appreciate your input.