bogdanb comments on Dark Arts of Rationality - Less Wrong

136 Post author: So8res 19 January 2014 02:47AM

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Comment author: So8res 17 January 2014 01:46:43AM 1 point [-]

To address your postscript: "Dark Arts" was not supposed to mean "bad" or "irrational", it was supposed to mean "counter-intuitive, surface-level irrational, perhaps costly, but worth the price".

Strategically manipulating terminal goals and intentionally cultivating false beliefs (with cognitive dissonance as the price) seem to fall pretty squarely in this category. I'm honestly not sure what else people were expecting. Perhaps you could give me an idea of things that squarely qualify as "dark arts" under your definition?

(At a guess, I suppose heavily leveraging taboo tradeoffs and consequentialism may seem "darker" to the layman.)

Comment author: bogdanb 28 January 2014 07:30:28PM *  4 points [-]

perhaps costly, but worth the price

How about extending the metaphor and calling these techniques "Rituals" (they require a sacrifice, and even though it’s not as “permanent” as in HPMOR, it’s usually dangerous), reserving “Dark” for the arguably-immoral stuff?