Viliam_Bur comments on Division of cognitive labour in accordance with researchers' ability - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChristianKl 16 January 2014 01:05:58PM 8 points [-]

A physicist once told me that Einstein put forth four theories worthy of the Nobel Prize in one year alone (1905, his Annus Mirabilis).

But you should consider that Einstein spend that year with his wife Mileva Marić who was also a physicist at a time where woman where woman had trouble finding acceptance in the scientific community. The two agreed that the Mileva should get the money from the Nobel Prize.

I don't think it's useful to explain what Einstein published in 1905 as the work of a single person.

It also useful to note the environment in which Einstein did his work. He was not employed in academia. Einstein was not earning five times as much money as an "unproductive professor". If anything he was earning less money in 1905 where he was most productive than later when he had a well paid professorship.

If you want to have more people like Einstein it would make much more sense to push guaranteed basic income to avoid top talent from having to take a formal job and let those people focus on their research while their basic living expenses are payed.

It is widely noted that the present incentive structure ("publish or perish") in the academia has led to a flood of uninteresting but publishable articles.

A lot of influential papers are considered uninteresting at the point of which they are published.

To some extent, this is an unescapable problem, but possibly it could be alleviated somewhat by more sophisticated techniques for identifying good texts. Such simple techniques as explicitly counting the number and significance of ideas per page, could go some way towards making it more transparent who is actually an original thinker, and who is not

Being original isn't hard. The difficult thing is being original in a productive fashion.

If you reward people for being original you encourage reinvention of ideas under new names instead of citing existing work.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 16 January 2014 03:10:56PM *  6 points [-]

push guaranteed basic income to avoid top talent from having to take a formal job and let those people focus on their research while their basic living expenses are payed.

If you could make a good estimate of young Einsteins, it would be enough to pay the basic income to the selected talented people. And it does not even have to be forever. You could just offer to pay them basic income for 10 years; and when it is 5 years till the end, evaluate them again, and if they still pass your filter, extend the time for another 5 years; possibly repeatedly. (And they can still try academia when your scholarship expires.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 16 January 2014 03:42:34PM 9 points [-]

In some sense Yudkowsky has such a deal with Peter Thiel. And Yudkowsky is not the only person that Thiel supports in such a way.

But I think that estimating young Einsteins is a very hard problem.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 January 2014 05:46:57PM *  3 points [-]

“I can only speak for myself. Unlike most people, I don’t “work” at all, in the sense of doing anything with the conscious goal of making money. All I do is think about what interests me, and discuss the results of that thinking with other people. As long as governments (and philanthropists like Mike Lazaridis) are willing to pay me for my non-work, I’m happy to take their money. If they ever stop paying me, I guess I’ll have to find some other source of income.” -- Scott Aaronson

Comment author: komponisto 17 January 2014 12:20:15AM 2 points [-]

If you could make a good estimate of young Einsteins, it would be enough to pay the basic income to the selected talented people.

This is exactly what academia is supposed to be, and it doesn't work. (Notably, it didn't work for Einstein, who didn't get let in until 1908.)

People are very, very bad at recognizing genius.

Comment author: asr 18 January 2014 07:25:33PM -2 points [-]

This is exactly what academia is supposed to be, and it doesn't work. (Notably, it didn't work for Einstein, who didn't get let in until 1908.)

This isn't true. Until 1905, Einstein was a graduate student (a very junior "insider"). He was still under 30 in 1908 when he was given a lectureship, which is a pretty plausible age to be given a teaching appointment. So that's three years spent outside the academy; not so very long.