Luke_A_Somers comments on The first AI probably won't be very smart - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jpaulson 17 January 2014 08:05:20AM 1 point [-]

I think I remember one particular prominent intellectual who, decades ago, essentially declared that when chess could be played better by a computer than a human, the problem of AI would be solved.

Hofstadter, in Godel, Escher, Bach?

Maybe you're one of those Cartesian dualists who thinks humans have souls that don't exist in physical reality and that's how they do their thinking

Not at all. Brains are complicated, not magic. But complicated is bad enough.

Would you consider the output of a regression a black box?

In the sense that we don't understand why the coefficients make sense; the only way to get that output is feed a lot of data into the machine and see what comes out. It's the difference between being able to make predictions and understanding what's going on (e.g. compare epicycle astronomy with the Copernican model. Equally good predictions, but one sheds better light on what's happening).

What's your machine learning background like, by the way?

One semester graduate course a few years ago.

It seems like you are counting it as a point against chess programs that we know exactly how they work, and a point against Watson that we don't know exactly how it works.

The goal is to understand intelligence. We know that chess programs aren't intelligent; the state space is just luckily small enough to brute force. Watson might be "intelligent", but we don't know. We need programs that are intelligent and that we understand.

My impression is that many, if not most, experts in AI see human intelligence as essentially algorithmic and see the field of AI as making slow progress towards something like human intelligence

I agree. My point is that there isn't likely to be a simple "intelligence algorithm". All the people like Hofstadter who've looked for one have been floundering for decades, and all the progress has been made by forgetting about "intelligence" and carving out smaller areas.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 17 January 2014 01:55:26PM 0 points [-]

I think I remember one particular prominent intellectual who, decades ago, essentially declared that when chess could be played better by a computer than a human, the problem of AI would be solved.

Hofstadter, in Godel, Escher, Bach?

What? That runs contrary to, like, the last third of the book. Where in the book would one find this claim?

Comment author: gwern 18 January 2014 04:37:45AM 2 points [-]
Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 19 January 2014 01:22:11AM 0 points [-]

I see. He got so focused on the power of strange loops that he forgot that you can do a whole lot without them.

Comment author: jpaulson 18 January 2014 04:29:24AM 1 point [-]

I don't have a copy handy. I distinctly remember this claim, though. This purports to be a quote from near the end of the book.

4 "Will there be chess programs that can beat anyone?" "No. There may be programs which can beat anyone at chess, but they will not be exclusively chess players." (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-decision-tree/201111/how-much-progress-has-artificial-intelligence-made)