SaidAchmiz comments on Tell Culture - Less Wrong

109 Post author: BrienneYudkowsky 18 January 2014 08:13PM

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Comment author: SaidAchmiz 19 January 2014 07:50:19PM 1 point [-]

How about "Be kind/nice, do X"? It's grammatical - of course, it's a weird thing to say, but the entire point was that the literal translations are weird and/or pushy. "would you be so kind as to" is indirect in virtue of being a question and not containing an imperative; of course, it's the correct translation, but it's really a very different construction.

Ah, yes, I see your point.

I think I agree with what you're saying sufficiently that anything further would be nitpicking. I do think it would be interesting to study this in more detail, although (not having any formal training in linguistics) I am unsure how linguists approach quantifying e.g. politeness, etc.

By the way, do you live in Russian or another Russian-speaking country? Because I've seen a study that showed that heritage speakers of Russian (i.e. speakers who live in a different linguistic community but learned the language from a parent) adopt more English-like politeness strategies. The reference is here.

I live in the United States, having been born in Russia and learned Russian in the usual way. (Interesting citation, though.)

Comment author: Creutzer 19 January 2014 07:55:44PM 0 points [-]

Oh, I just saw that I linked the abstract when I wanted to link to the actual slides! Which also give you a picture of how this kind of thing is studied by people who do that. Here they are.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 20 January 2014 04:31:06AM 0 points [-]

Hmm, I seem to be having trouble opening the .ppt file... are you able to view it? I get an error from PowerPoint.

Comment author: David_Gerard 20 January 2014 01:40:03PM 0 points [-]

Opened fine for me in LibreOffice (4.1.3) just now.