TheOtherDave comments on Tell Culture - Less Wrong

109 Post author: BrienneYudkowsky 18 January 2014 08:13PM

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 20 January 2014 04:10:51PM 5 points [-]

Honestly, I think it's a weirdly constructed question. It seems more than a little like asking, when two linguistic communities collide in a linguistically heterogenous society, whether it's better to (a) develop a creole for communication purposes, or (b) adopt the dominant culture's language.

Sure, b will lead to easier communication if we can do it. But if we can all speak the same language, what exactly did I mean when I called this a collision of linguistic communities in the first place?

I have had the experience of trying to operate within an alien Guess/Hint culture. It's frustrating. I am aware of what's going on at a high level -- there are cues being sent and expected that I'm unaware of and can't recognize, and nobody is willing to explain what the cues are, and might well not even know. But knowing that doesn't help.

Sure, it would have helped if I just switched to their dialect. But of course I couldn't do that, since I didn't know their dialect.

Given that, it would have helped me if we could all have switched to Ask norms instead. It would have made me less of a boorish outsider, and made it easier for me to communicate.

But of course, there's no particular reason why they should have wanted to help me in this way.

an alien status hierarchy pretending it isn't one (a somewhat uncharitable gloss of Ask culture).

FWIW, I agree that Ask culture has this property. Then again, I would claim Guess and Hint culture have this property as well, and I think it's orthogonal to the aspects of Ask/Guess/Hint culture I've been discussing.