Creutzer comments on Tell Culture - Less Wrong

109 Post author: BrienneYudkowsky 18 January 2014 08:13PM

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Comment author: b1shop 21 January 2014 02:56:54PM *  3 points [-]

A lot of the comments are ignoring the fact that this game has multiple equilibria. Saying "humans evolved into X, so therefore there must be a logic to X" makes as much sense as saying "Americans drive on the right side of the road, so therefore there must be a logic to using the right side of the road."

Also, when traveling outside the monastery, our first priority should be to figure out how the other people drive.

Comment author: Creutzer 21 January 2014 09:38:33PM 1 point [-]

If there are multiple equilibria, you should expect to see all of them in different cultures. The apparent tendency for general Guessiness is then left unexplained.

Comment author: Nornagest 21 January 2014 10:01:56PM *  6 points [-]

I think I'd expect to find Guess cultures in places and contexts which:

  • are homogeneous (so that inferential distance doesn't hamper guessing)

  • are rigid (implying stable roles and clear boundaries and expectations)

  • are hierarchical (anticipating needs places cognitive load on the guesser and offloads it from the guessee)

  • value apparent harmony (explicit refusal implies a conflict of needs)

  • value apparent confidence (asking implies uncertainty)

That should suggest reasons why we find Guessiness in a lot of contexts that're notable for it. Dating, for example, isn't especially homogeneous and doesn't always break down along hierarchical lines, but harmony and confidence are very important within it.

Conversely, I think I'd expect to find Ask cultures in contexts which:

  • are fluid or diverse

  • value apparent egalitarianism

  • value apparent ambition (explicit requests signal initiative)

  • involve very high downside risk (so you can't get away with the occasional cache miss)

Haven't thought much about Tell cultures yet.

Comment author: Strange7 27 January 2014 08:00:16PM 1 point [-]

Tell cultures happen when something (say, autism or a cultural disconnect) jams the implicit communication channel. Everyone involved has to agree to ignore appearance and implication, which is only a stable equilibrium as long as appearance and implication are mostly garbage data.

Comment author: b1shop 21 January 2014 10:50:37PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure that's true. From the original LW post on ask vs. guess:

Apparently East Asia is more "guess-based" than the US.

I've also heard that Russia is more ask-based, and the U.S. is somewhere in the middle with stereotypical differences between urban and rural environments.