nshepperd comments on 2013 Survey Results - Less Wrong

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Comment author: nshepperd 30 January 2014 06:34:56AM 3 points [-]

So you are claiming either: "Children are no people" or "Pedophilia should be legal". I don't think any of those claims has societal approval let alone is a clear-cut issue.

I'd expect them to assert that paedophilia does harm. That's the obvious resolution.

Comment author: ChristianKl 30 January 2014 08:46:15AM 2 points [-]

I'd expect them to assert that paedophilia does harm. That's the obvious resolution.

Court are not supposed to investigate whether the child is emotionally harmed by the experience but whether he or she is under a certain age threshold. You could certainly imagine a legal system where psychologists are always asked whether a given child is harmed by having sex instead of a legal system that makes the decision through an age criteria.

I think a more reasonable argument for the age boundary isn't that every child gets harmed but that most get harmed and that having a law that forbids that behavior is preventing a lot of children from getting harmed.

I don't think you are a bad person to arguing that we should have a system that focuses on the amount of harm done instead of focusing on an arbitrary age boundary but that's not the system we have that's backed by societal consensus.

We also don't put anybody in prison for having sex with a 19-year old breaking her heart and watching as they commit suicide. We would judge a case like that as a tragedy but we wouldn't legally charge the responsible person with anything.

The concept of consent is pretty important for our present system. Even in cases where no harm is done we take a breach of consent seriously.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 January 2014 07:59:39PM 1 point [-]

Actually I'm under the impression that the ‘standard’ resolution is not about the “harm” part but about the “want” part: it's assumed that people below a certain age can't want sex, to the point that said age is called the age of consent and sex with people younger than that is called a term which suggests it's considered a subset of sex with people who don't want it.

(I'm neither endorsing nor mocking this, just describing it.)

Comment author: Lumifer 30 January 2014 08:08:09PM *  4 points [-]

Actually I'm under the impression that the ‘standard’ resolution is not about the “harm” part but about the “want” part

I think your impression is mistaken.

it's assumed that people below a certain age can't want sex, to the point that said age is called the age of consent

Nope. It is assumed that people below a certain age cannot give informed consent. In other words, they are assumed to be not capable of good decisions and to be not responsible for the consequences. What they want is irrelevant. If you're below the appropriate age of consent, you cannot sign a valid contract, for example.

Below the age of consent you basically lack the legal capacity to agree to something.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 January 2014 08:09:48PM 1 point [-]

I assumed “want” to mean ‘consent’ in that sentence.

Comment author: Lumifer 30 January 2014 08:18:19PM -1 points [-]

That's not what these words mean, not even close.